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    The comparison with Carrick isn't exactly fair
    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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      Yeah a Lucas v Carrick comparison would have been more accurate.

      Should have put Anderson in there

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        Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
        Henderson is proving more & more what a waste of a transfer Allen was. Nevermind the fee we paid but we have more than enough capable central midfielders so why waste the money on ALlen when other areas needed to be strengthened far more?
        I've said this before, but here it is again. It's all my opinion.

        Rodgers came in and expected us to play 433. He wanted Lucas long term in front of the back 4 in the Leon Britton role to control the play.

        He had Gerrard down as the attacking midfielder bombing on and getting shed loads of goals and assists.

        He wanted Allen to play in between as he did and excelled at Swansea.

        Start of the season Lucas was injured. He dropped Allen in front of the back 4 as he knew the role. He became aware of Gerrard's lack of spark and a long with needing experience at the heart of the team, he dropped Gerrard into the Allen role.

        Initially, Allen excelled in front of the back 4. Gerrard started okay. The furthest player forward tended to change, we struggled tbf in that position.

        As the games piled up Allen began to tire and his performances dropped. Gerrard was being rested for the cup games and it showed. He went from strength to strength. His excellent performances in the Allen role meant he was to stay there.

        When Lucas returned he was immediately placed in the controller role in front of the back 4. He wasn't on it right away, but has steadily improved as his fitness returned.

        For a couple of games Rodgers tried Allen in the middle role and pushed Gerrard up. He even tried them alternating in bombing forward. But Gerrard didn't have the legs for it anymore and Allen wasn't able to stretch the play with long balls forward.

        Lucas also lacked the long ball pass and so LFC stuttered with no one to spray a killer ball forward. Britton didn't excel at this ball, but he at least had it in his locker. The team failed to function.

        So the team was set. Lucas as the deepest player, Gerrard ahead of him. One space left. Rodgers told us Allen would show us his attacking skills. He didn't. He failed to impress as the furthest player forward. His injury meant we never saw if he was capable of pushing on.

        Is he a loss and a mistake? I'm not so sure. If nothing else he will be a good squad player. Injuries happen over a season and strong squad players are essential. Just like Henderson, Allen can fulfil that role.

        Stop looking at the first XI. That alone will not win titles. Look at the bigger picture.
        Forwards.......

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          Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
          Did anyone else have to read this twice?


          No, I knew what Dan meant after just one reading. Its just that he's spelt it wrong.
          One tit for another.

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            Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
            Henderson is proving more & more what a waste of a transfer Allen was. Nevermind the fee we paid but we have more than enough capable central midfielders so why waste the money on ALlen when other areas needed to be strengthened far more?
            Does it not prove to you that we shouldn't judge players too negatively on first impressions? Henderson was getting the same grief off of supporters a year ago that Allen was getting back when he was playing.

            Give Allen time to settle and get playing up to speed. Something tells me his opening 10 games or so were not a fluke.
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
              I've said this before, but here it is again. It's all my opinion.

              Rodgers came in and expected us to play 433. He wanted Lucas long term in front of the back 4 in the Leon Britton role to control the play.

              He had Gerrard down as the attacking midfielder bombing on and getting shed loads of goals and assists.

              He wanted Allen to play in between as he did and excelled at Swansea.

              Start of the season Lucas was injured. He dropped Allen in front of the back 4 as he knew the role. He became aware of Gerrard's lack of spark and a long with needing experience at the heart of the team, he dropped Gerrard into the Allen role.

              Initially, Allen excelled in front of the back 4. Gerrard started okay. The furthest player forward tended to change, we struggled tbf in that position.

              As the games piled up Allen began to tire and his performances dropped. Gerrard was being rested for the cup games and it showed. He went from strength to strength. His excellent performances in the Allen role meant he was to stay there.

              When Lucas returned he was immediately placed in the controller role in front of the back 4. He wasn't on it right away, but has steadily improved as his fitness returned.

              For a couple of games Rodgers tried Allen in the middle role and pushed Gerrard up. He even tried them alternating in bombing forward. But Gerrard didn't have the legs for it anymore and Allen wasn't able to stretch the play with long balls forward.

              Lucas also lacked the long ball pass and so LFC stuttered with no one to spray a killer ball forward. Britton didn't excel at this ball, but he at least had it in his locker. The team failed to function.

              So the team was set. Lucas as the deepest player, Gerrard ahead of him. One space left. Rodgers told us Allen would show us his attacking skills. He didn't. He failed to impress as the furthest player forward. His injury meant we never saw if he was capable of pushing on.

              Is he a loss and a mistake? I'm not so sure. If nothing else he will be a good squad player. Injuries happen over a season and strong squad players are essential. Just like Henderson, Allen can fulfil that role.

              Stop looking at the first XI. That alone will not win titles. Look at the bigger picture.
              Originally posted by Alex View Post
              Does it not prove to you that we shouldn't judge players too negatively on first impressions? Henderson was getting the same grief off of supporters a year ago that Allen was getting back when he was playing.

              Give Allen time to settle and get playing up to speed. Something tells me his opening 10 games or so were not a fluke.
              Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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                We should have bought Keith Allen and have stomping & lording it in the middle of the pitch, he's probably more attack minded and skilly than Joe the Welf.

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                    Reckon he's going to get better and better.

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                      Originally posted by Reece View Post
                      Reckon he's going to get better and better.
                      Yeah, he's proved me wrong this season. Still only what, 22?

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                        The English Xavi.
                        Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                          Why cant he just be The English Jordan Henderson

                          Those comparisons do nothing but hinder a player.
                          *Except Michael, who died.

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                            Says the Essex Bradley Wiggins.
                            .
                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                            May the Lord bless this post.

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                              With Shelvey going I guess we can put to bed any rumours of Henderson leaving (Which I am pretty happy with to be honest)

                              Big season ahead for the lad, could be a very important player for us next season.

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                                I think Henderson could play the holding midfield role. Technically he has the ability to move the ball on quickly and accurately. Tackling is probably a bit of an issue though. I like Henderson, he has ability and always puts in the effort

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