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    Rodgers has spent north of £200m

    Borini =£11m
    Allen = £14m
    Lovren = £20m
    Lallana = £25m
    Balloteli = £16m

    Those as some massive fees paid for not much in return. His only signing which are successes are Coutinho and Sturridge.

    Now if Rodgers and the committee had a better track record then I would agree but if we did have big money to spend I would feel uncomfortable allowing the current setup to spend it wisely.
    Last edited by Leyton388; 10-05-15, 10:39 PM.

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      Originally posted by Leyton388 View Post
      Rodgers has spent north of £200m

      Borini =£11m
      Allen = £14m
      Lovren = £20m
      Lallana = £25m
      Balloteli = £16m

      Those as some massive fees paid for not much in return. His only signing which are successes are Coutinho and Sturridge.
      I'm a big critic of last summers cluster**** in the transfer market,I suppose my point was that you could have any manager in the world and they would struggle under the FSG restrictions with regards to players wages....

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        I can't see FSG giving BR significant funds next season. Another year of consolidation and a last chance to prove himself is the best he can hope for. Makes sense to let him go only if we can replace with a CL proven Manager.

        BR has no clout. Which top players would want to play for him? I think whilst we are struggling as a club, the Manager could be the key to bringing in the calibre of players we need to kick on again, hence it might be better to get in Klopp whilst he is available.
        "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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          TBH if someone come in with a £40m plus offer for Sterling in the summer we should take it and use the money to strengthen the attack. Sterling is good but his shooting is extremely poor and with our limited wage structure and transfer spend we could not justify giving him £100k a week let alone the £150k he wants.

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            Right, so season's not completely over but my take on next season. I reckon Rodgers has fewer problems next season than he did this:

            The (false) expectation that Sturridge will take over all goalscoring duties has been ruthlessly exposed and Rodgers will now know he can't fall in that trap again. "Easy"ish enough to remedy with big money (despite no CL).

            Gerrard, Johnson and possibly Toure are leaving. No more falling back on 'experienced heads' when common sense dictated nearly all of this season those three should have played much less. The song I got one less problem without ya seems apt, if harsh.

            Squad building is now done. Markovic, Lallana, Moreno, Can, Mig, Lovren and Ibe are ready to take the challenge on next season. I see potential successes in well over 50% of those players which will give Rodgers some room to work with. Out of those players Markovic, Lallana, Can and Ibe are genuine goalscoring threats. Haven't seen much of that this season but you can see it in their style of play (and previous records). This will show through next season.

            Sterling and Coutino are not genuine goalscoring threats. This season everyone thought one or both would get 10+ league goals, but now Rodgers knows these guys ain't got the finish. He will adjust playing styles and players accordingly as a result.

            Mig is finally established as a top 6 premier league goalie. He wasn't even a PL goalie start of this season.
            One tit for another.

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              Originally posted by BigChief View Post
              Right, so season's not completely over but my take on next season. I reckon Rodgers has fewer problems next season than he did this:

              The (false) expectation that Sturridge will take over all goalscoring duties has been ruthlessly exposed and Rodgers will now know he can't fall in that trap again. "Easy"ish enough to remedy with big money (despite no CL).

              Gerrard, Johnson and possibly Toure are leaving. No more falling back on 'experienced heads' when common sense dictated nearly all of this season those three should have played much less. The song I got one less problem without ya seems apt, if harsh.

              Squad building is now done. Markovic, Lallana, Moreno, Can, Mig, Lovren and Ibe are ready to take the challenge on next season. I see potential successes in well over 50% of those players which will give Rodgers some room to work with. Out of those players Markovic, Lallana, Can and Ibe are genuine goalscoring threats. Haven't seen much of that this season but you can see it in their style of play (and previous records). This will show through next season.

              Sterling and Coutino are not genuine goalscoring threats. This season everyone thought one or both would get 10+ league goals, but now Rodgers knows these guys ain't got the finish. He will adjust playing styles and players accordingly as a result.

              Mig is finally established as a top 6 premier league goalie. He wasn't even a PL goalie start of this season.
              Love the optimism.....but in reality we need 2 or 3 top signings. Hopefully Origi will bring something to the squad / team as well.

              If you look at the squad we had last year, then we were a cunt hair away from winning the league. The comments by people on here about just needing to score goals to do well in this league is really true. For me, if we had a fowler or owen in their peak up front this season we'd have broken the top 3.

              Also, I think the defense is better now than it was at the start of the season. Even Lovren doesnt look like a total waste of space in the last couple of games. Jon Flanagan was great in the second half of last season and hasn't kicked a ball this year. I am hoping that he can rejoin the squad and although Wisdom hasn't exactly been WBAs player of the year, i think he can come back and be a squad player as well. Remember when Flanagan turned down a loan move 18 months ago and nearly ended that year with a league medal - well i think had Wisdom turned down the loan to WBA then he would have had just as much if not more football this season at LFC.

              Goals are what we need to kick on though. Ings on a free would be okay for the squad. I would love Lacazette as i think he can become class but i wonder will other teams be in for him and also will he want to give lyon another season to cement his place in frances euro 2016 squad. The last thing he would want to do is move clubs, find it hard to settle, his form drops and he misses out.

              You know who i think would be a good addition - especially if funds are tight - Javier Hernandez. He turns 27 next month but doesnt have much millage on the clock. He would also love to prove that knob LVG wrong (similar to Sturridge with Chelsea) but I think he would suit our style of play as well - a great box player that would love to be knocking in the chances created by the likes of Coutinho, Sterling and Lallana / Ibe / Markovic. He could also play in a front two with Sturridge.

              Apparently he is available for 10m euros. And considering that he already knows what living in england / north west is like, then he could hit the ground running.

              Finally - he wouldnt do our clubs profile in Mexico any harm either. Would be a great addition.

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                Originally posted by frank the tank View Post
                If Klopp was to be a success in liverpool then he would need funds to bring two very good players - maybe like Reus and gundogan.......that would take big funds and big wages. If FSG were going to spend big funds and wages, then surely Brendan should get the chance to spend them.....
                with gerrard and glen going that should cover the wages

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                  Originally posted by frank the tank View Post
                  Love the optimism.....but in reality we need 2 or 3 top signings. Hopefully Origi will bring something to the squad / team as well.

                  If you look at the squad we had last year, then we were a cunt hair away from winning the league. The comments by people on here about just needing to score goals to do well in this league is really true. For me, if we had a fowler or owen in their peak up front this season we'd have broken the top 3.

                  You know who i think would be a good addition - especially if funds are tight - Javier Hernandez. He turns 27 next month but doesnt have much millage on the clock.

                  Finally - he wouldnt do our clubs profile in Mexico any harm either. Would be a great addition.
                  Completely agree we need 2 or 3 top signings. Never thought we wouldn't, but last season we not only needed to replace Suarez we needed to replace both full back positions, a CB, midfield, RM and AM too. Basically, we were in a bad way which Suarez was only wonderfully papering over.

                  Those cracks have been filled to varying degrees of success, and the mandatory settling in period has now been completed. Now when we put the 1 top class striker into this squad it should (therotically) provide much better results.

                  As for your Hernandez point, he could turn out to be Sturridge all over again (i.e. always with a fantastic goal scoring per game ratio but never played enough). Or he could be another dud sitting on the bench alongside Ings. However, beggars can't be choosers and as long as we're looking at a Martinez, Cavani, Tevez, Icardi, etc, then wouldn't mind a Little Pea too.
                  One tit for another.

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                    Sod all this consolidation ****e and par nonsense if you start accepting that then you might as well jib it off
                    Oh I say his vision there was lovely

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                      Originally posted by frank the tank View Post
                      Love the optimism.....but in reality we need 2 or 3 top signings. Hopefully Origi will bring something to the squad / team as well.

                      If you look at the squad we had last year, then we were a cunt hair away from winning the league. The comments by people on here about just needing to score goals to do well in this league is really true. For me, if we had a fowler or owen in their peak up front this season we'd have broken the top 3.

                      Also, I think the defense is better now than it was at the start of the season. Even Lovren doesnt look like a total waste of space in the last couple of games. Jon Flanagan was great in the second half of last season and hasn't kicked a ball this year. I am hoping that he can rejoin the squad and although Wisdom hasn't exactly been WBAs player of the year, i think he can come back and be a squad player as well. Remember when Flanagan turned down a loan move 18 months ago and nearly ended that year with a league medal - well i think had Wisdom turned down the loan to WBA then he would have had just as much if not more football this season at LFC.

                      Goals are what we need to kick on though. Ings on a free would be okay for the squad. I would love Lacazette as i think he can become class but i wonder will other teams be in for him and also will he want to give lyon another season to cement his place in frances euro 2016 squad. The last thing he would want to do is move clubs, find it hard to settle, his form drops and he misses out.

                      You know who i think would be a good addition - especially if funds are tight - Javier Hernandez. He turns 27 next month but doesnt have much millage on the clock. He would also love to prove that knob LVG wrong (similar to Sturridge with Chelsea) but I think he would suit our style of play as well - a great box player that would love to be knocking in the chances created by the likes of Coutinho, Sterling and Lallana / Ibe / Markovic. He could also play in a front two with Sturridge.

                      Apparently he is available for 10m euros. And considering that he already knows what living in england / north west is like, then he could hit the ground running.

                      Finally - he wouldnt do our clubs profile in Mexico any harm either. Would be a great addition.
                      completely agree about Chicarito said this a few times, the guy scores goals simple as that don't care if his game is limited. People saying things like well he wouldn't suit our style of play, not great technically, he's just a poacher etc ffs that is exactly what we need!!! He works his bollox off, great attitude, defends from the front and scores goals! Yes please & sure we don't exactly have a style of play anyways. Experienced quality is vital for us IMO. Stick him or/and likes of Bacca (who we should be after Imo) in the side and you will get goals. Would United Hernandez sell to us though?

                      Likes of Benzema, Lacazette etc aren't going to come to LFC. We don't have the draw or the money to compete but there are certainly lots of very good options elsewhere. We have to be realistic in who we are going to sign.
                      Last edited by danperkins; 11-05-15, 10:24 AM.

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                        I've supported him staunchly since he became manager but not this season.

                        Actually to be honest, I think he's losing the plot. He seems confused and cloudy and that clarity and vision he once had is gone.

                        Last night he said something along the lines of :"Chelsea have added 3 first teamers while we've lost 3 in Suarez, Sturridge and Flanagan"

                        Out of context, yeah that makes sense, but when everything is taken into account, it's a non-sensical statement that really really worries me. If our manager is thinking along those lines with that sort of mindset, it just seems ...well...blind to reality. A sort of irrational arrogance to accept mistakes have been made. This just means, for me, that we'll continue along the same lines.

                        Wow, this is not easy for me as I've back him to the hilt from the start (before this season) and I still would love him to work his magic but I think it would be best if he left sooner rather then later

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                          I'm just disappointed that again, when it really mattered we didn't have the winning mentality. Last season going for the league this, going for top 4. It was well within our grasp, the excuses for not making it are just that, excuses.
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                            Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                            I'm just disappointed that again, when it really mattered we didn't have the winning mentality. Last season going for the league this, going for top 4. It was well within our grasp, the excuses for not making it are just that, excuses.
                            just not enough leaders on the pitch. That drive and determination to win just isn't there & we seem to coast along on times... can be very frustrating.

                            No balls in the side, too many players looking for someone else to do something. Poor oul Coutinho is the exception and sure it's only a matter of time before the big boys come knocking.

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                              For me that lands squarely with the manager. All the rest is just smoke, we needed to absolutely go for it, or die trying. Get the team fired up, but we seem pretty flat. Seems like we accepted 5th place ages ago, yesterday was a cup final in reality, we seemed content with a draw. It's just an utterly deflating end to the season, which just makes last season seem the exception rather than the rule.
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                                Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                                completely agree about Chicarito said this a few times, the guy scores goals simple as that don't care if his game is limited. People saying things like well he wouldn't suit our style of play, not great technically, he's just a poacher etc ffs that is exactly what we need!!! He works his bollox off, great attitude, defends from the front and scores goals! Yes please. Experienced quality is vital for us IMO. Stick him or/and likes of Bacca (who we should be after Imo) in the side and you will get goals. Would United Hernandez sell to us though?

                                Likes of Benzema, Lacazette aren't going to come to LFC. We don't have the draw or the money to compete but there are certainly lots of very good options elsewhere. We have to be realistic in who we are going to sign.


                                What draw did we have when we started talks with Ajax and Suarez? Hodgson was still in charge when those talks started, and as much of a legend as Kenny is to all of us, I highly doubt when he took over that January that his name meant as much to the 24 yo Suarez.

                                If clubs like Inter, Valencia, Schalke, Wolfsburg (VW money but not a massive wage payer nor do they go OTT in terms of transfer fees), Napoli etc can go and pick up good to very good players at times, then we should be able to do likewise.

                                Granted there are a number of clubs that we simply could not go head to head with in terms of money and recent prestige, but we should not be put off trying for quality players because we think one of those clubs may go after the same player. The best clubs can only buy so many players and many of them will be well stocked to start with, so there will always be a number of very good players whose choice will be to stay at their current clubs or take a step up with a move to a club like ours.

                                Even look at the likes of Atletico Madrid. They are a club who have only started to again pick up silverware on a regular basis in recent years, yet prior to that they still managed to make some high profile purchases and still managed to snipe a number of up and coming talent that supposedly were the targets of bigger clubs.


                                We are not going to get every up and comer we go for or every quality player we go for, but I would prefer to be in for every one of them we are interested in and get knocked back nine times out of ten than looking elsewhere ten time out of ten because we think a more attractive club wants the same players.

                                Getting knocked back nine times out of ten still means we have gotten one quality addition.
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