Brendan Rodgers

[chadrtc]

I don't need to read it again. I saw one post last night in which one person asked something like "do we think he could be sacked in the international break." Everything else has been people arguing over when he's likely to get sacked, not whether he should be sacked after one loss. If I've missed a load of lads saying he should go now and that has prompted you and RichC to go on about it all day feel free to point them out to me.

You've miss read and missinterpretted a few posts... don't want to go back to check, that's fine. It's not my job to clear it up for you.

You seem to be taking a handfull of posts as some kind of attack on your views, which was never the case. No drama fella.

[The_weatherman]

This?



What about these?


Like I said, it's not an exact quote but to make out there aren't rumblings of 'Rodgers out' amongst the fans and we're just making things up is incorrect.

And this is not a witch hunt. The posters above are all entitled to their opinion and if people articulate why they want him gone, then fair enough.

I reckon most of those fans are on the same boat as I, have had their doubts about Rodgers over the last year or so. He's only adding to that doubts. If someone offered my Klopp right now I'd take it, but I'd also have taken it at any point since december c.a. IMO Rodgers will never win a trophy or a title with us.

[G]

You've miss read and missinterpretted a few posts... don't want to go back to check, that's fine. It's not my job to clear it up for you.

You seem to be taking a handfull of posts as some kind of attack on your views, which was never the case. No drama fella.

I'm not defending my views, I don't need to. Neither do you. I thought he should have went in the summer just like you and just like you I don't think he should go now either but I differ in how long I'd give him, certainly he wouldn't get to the end of the season unless we are making a go of the top 4 race.

You and others get fed up reading "negative" types of post and I must say I get fed up of criticism of anybody who doesn't share their opposite viewpoint. Buzzo has articulated a view on this recently a few times and I agree with him.

[Muddled]

Yes they aren't exact quotes of "sack him now" bar one which is what I said I've not seen. I didn't make anything out, I said I haven't seen it from anybody. I skim alot of post these days, maybe others should too. Thanks for handing me my arse though

No harm intended and posted in good humour.

Just wanted to point out that those talking of not sacking Rodgers were not arguing amongst themselves.

[Muddled]

I reckon most of those fans are on the same boat as I, have had their doubts about Rodgers over the last year or so. He's only adding to that doubts. If someone offered my Klopp right now I'd take it, but I'd also have taken it at any point since december c.a. IMO Rodgers will never win a trophy or a title with us.

Yeah, the feelings of last season are still raw and I completely understand why some fans will be frustrated. I'm frustrated, but my anger is aimed more at the players.

However, we were never going to go this season undefeated; How we respond in our next game will be more of an indicator of Rodgers' ability. Not many top, top teams lose two on the bounce. Obviously Manchester United away is not the ideal fixture, but I'm expecting a reaction and a much better performance.

[chadrtc]

I'm not defending my views, I don't need to. Neither do you. I thought he should have went in the summer just like you and just like you I don't think he should go now either but I differ in how long I'd give him, certainly he wouldn't get to the end of the season unless we are making a go of the top 4 race.

You and others get fed up reading "negative" types of post and I must say I get fed up of criticism of anybody who doesn't share their opposite viewpoint. Buzzo has articulated a view on this recently a few times and I agree with him.

I'm not fed up of reading any negative posts - again, I think you're confusing me with someone else, or maybe taking a post out of context or, god forbid, making a bit of a sweeping generalisation of a number of posters.

Everybody debates their view point, crazy posts get called out... I don't understand what there is that you're seemingly getting so irritated about.

As I said, no drama. We all want to win in the end.

[The_weatherman]

Yeah, the feelings of last season are still raw and I completely understand why some fans will be frustrated. I'm frustrated, but my anger is aimed more at the players.

However, we were never going to go this season undefeated; How we respond in our next game will be more of an indicator of Rodgers' ability. Not many top, top teams lose two on the bounce. Obviously Manchester United away is not the ideal fixture, but I'm expecting a reaction and a much better performance.

Anyone who was fecked off was never going to hand BR a clean slate, I realise we were never going undefeated, but 0-3 against the mess that has been WH, at home, without even posing them any trouble, it's really bad, I could have taken a slim defeat and somehow reasoned it away but not that mess of a performance, but like you say, it's about the reaction from both the players and the manager, he has two weeks to figure something out.

[Saul Goodman]

I've seen this a lot too. Do miracle strikes not count as a goal now?

We've have had the rub of the green with some things this season, but we've spent many an hour on here raging at the many things we feel hard done by, so a goal is a goal. It's about time we had some luck on the officiating front.

We've scored one less than Arsenal, Manchester United and Spurs and conceded six less than Chelsea, one less than Spurs and the same as Arsenal.

Other than Manchester City who have looked decent, no other team has looked both solid and full of goals. Seven points is seven points. We're bedding in a number of new faces and whilst we're still acquiring match fitness, it will also take game time for players to gain an understanding of each other's game. Expecting us to be firing on all attacking cylinders - when Rodgers was berated last year for his gung-ho style - is probably expecting too much.

Last season's gung-ho style? We haven't played like that in many a moon. I think you are confusing seasons. Last season when we went on that decent run it was all built on being solid.

Miracle strikes of course count as goals but they are football variance. I remember Pellegrini putting it well when we beat them last season with strikes from Henderson/Cout. He said something along the lines of getting beat by strikes like that just being something you take as if teams can't break you down otherwise you have probably done alright in the game. We haven't shown any signs of playing good attacking football apart from that one half that will see us consistently break down teams.

I'm much more about performances than points as I think in the long-term it is what will be more important as points will come if you are putting in performances and improving. The other way around I find far more concerning.

[G]

I'm not fed up of reading any negative posts - again, I think you're confusing me with someone else, or maybe taking a post out of context or, god forbid, making a bit of a sweeping generalisation of a number of posters.

Everybody debates their view point, crazy posts get called out... I don't understand what there is that you're seemingly getting so irritated about.

As I said, no drama. We all want to win in the end.

Yeah no drama and certainly no confusion. I haven't seen anybody criticize me and nor would I care. Others I feel get unfairly treated cos their viewpoint is deemed illogical or mental and they might be a bit too regular posting it. A differing viewpoint isn't "crazy" or mental" or whatever you want to call it. It's just different.

[Muddled]

Anyone who was fecked off was never going to hand BR a clean slate, I realise we were never going undefeated, but 0-3 against the mess that has been WH, at home, without even posing them any trouble, it's really bad, I could have taken a slim defeat and somehow reasoned it away but not that mess of a performance, but like you say, it's about the reaction from both the players and the manager, he has two weeks to figure something out.

3-0 as a headline result doesn't make for good reading. 3-0 when looking at the game as a whole shows why football is always a great conversation starter.

We concede an early goal and I'm sure Rodgers will be frustrated. West Ham's plan would have been to soak up the pressure and hope to grab a goal on the break but we gift them the ideal start and give them something to play for.

Rodgers will want a reaction, but not start tinkering with tactics believing he has the quality to find an equaliser and take the game on from there. We all know what Lovren does next and Rodgers has work to do at half-time. He makes the substitution - I believe - to ensure we have a foundation to not concede a third but enough width to chase the goals we need. Coutinho getting sent off pretty much screwed up any half time team talk and we have to play with one less man than a team adept at playing defensively away from home.

Their third goal is a mixture of us throwing the kitchen sink up top and tired legs. 3-0 is not us being hammered and blown away by superior opposition, it's a lack of concentration and a monumental **** up in the first half an hour.

[Saul Goodman]

Yeah, the feelings of last season are still raw and I completely understand why some fans will be frustrated. I'm frustrated, but my anger is aimed more at the players.

However, we were never going to go this season undefeated; How we respond in our next game will be more of an indicator of Rodgers' ability. Not many top, top teams lose two on the bounce. Obviously Manchester United away is not the ideal fixture, but I'm expecting a reaction and a much better performance.

Why the players? I didn't see a lack of effort from the players against West Ham? I did see awful tactics coupled with bad player selection.

A team which is so narrow. All three midfielders seemed to be given licence to rotate/roam in the midfield. We had no shape. None of the three drifted wide when playing as the more advanced of the three to give us width. Coutinho/Firmino inclination is to come inside, so again no width with Benteke in the middle and a congestion of players behind him with a lack of space. West Ham worked out that Gomez couldn't provide that Width effectively so they almost doubled up on Clyne while leaving Gomez in space as the out ball. The amount of attacks that broke down on his side. Completely devoid of width within our setup with a striker like Benteke is criminal. It was very clever from West Ham but amateur hour from our manager not to see early what was happening. I could write loads more about problems I could see but my point is that performance was largely the system and setup which is the managers fault.

[RichC]

Which to an extent are fair points however the 3 goals all came from mistakes of the players, the first 3 minutes into the game. The attempt to change things and get back into the game certainly didn't work but when fundamental errors from players on the pitch allow for soft goals to be scored like they were it makes the job all the more difficult.

Anyway, feel like this has been done to death how Rodgers and the players react to this setback will set to the tone for the rest of the season, I'd say there is a lot riding on that for him and a few of the players as well.

[Muddled]

Last season's gung-ho style? We haven't played like that in many a moon. I think you are confusing seasons. Last season when we went on that decent run it was all built on being solid.

Miracle strikes of course count as goals but they are football variance. I remember Pellegrini putting it well when we beat them last season with strikes from Henderson/Cout. He said something along the lines of getting beat by strikes like that just being something you take as if teams can't break you down otherwise you have probably done alright in the game. We haven't shown any signs of playing good attacking football apart from that one half that will see us consistently break down teams.

I'm much more about performances than points as I think in the long-term it is what will be more important as points will come if you are putting in performances and improving. The other way around I find far more concerning.

On reflection 'gung-ho' wasn't the best adjective. I was alluding more to Rodgers' defensive frailties. I think performances will come with time, especially with another summer of several players coming in.

[Saveloy]

Why the players? I didn't see a lack of effort from the players against West Ham? I did see awful tactics coupled with bad player selection.

A team which is so narrow. All three midfielders seemed to be given licence to rotate/roam in the midfield. We had no shape. None of the three drifted wide when playing as the more advanced of the three to give us width. Coutinho/Firmino inclination is to come inside, so again no width with Benteke in the middle and a congestion of players behind him with a lack of space. West Ham worked out that Gomez couldn't provide that Width effectively so they almost doubled up on Clyne while leaving Gomez in space as the out ball. The amount of attacks that broke down on his side. Completely devoid of width within our setup with a striker like Benteke is criminal. It was very clever from West Ham but amateur hour from our manager not to see early what was happening. I could write loads more about problems I could see but my point is that performance was largely the system and setup which is the managers fault.

Agree with this. But it all seems so basic. You play Gomez because you want to shore up the defence. Thats fine, but if you don't replace a player like Sterling with a similar type of player and you don't play Ibe, then you've got an attack which comprises a target man full of willing running, and lots of no 10 types who like to thread a ball looking for one fullback on the overlap.

[Danish_Pastry]

AS we have Couth out against the Manc - and Hendo might miss as well - I would play Texeira in there with Millner and Firmino on top of the diamond and Lucas as DM. The use Ings and Bento as Forwards.