Brendan Rodgers

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The squads inbalanced imo

It doesn't suit Rodgers ideal system that's for certain

There are so ok players in the squad but getting a system that works with the right blend will be tough

Also I don't know that he knows what system we should play

For me we have some good players but we are lacking in two areas:
1) We need someone who can organise a defence, I think all the centre backs we have are fine if you have a Carragher or someone shouting at them all the time telling them what to do, sure they would still make individual mistakes but as a unit we would be much better.

2) We need wide forwards if we are to play a 4-3-3 and someone to offer width if we play another formation. Alot of people on here are suggesting a diamond whuch would probably suit the players we have, but we would be playing a narrow game with no pace or width to stretch things, which would mean we would find it difficult to break team who park the bus down.

While to some extent I can see why we didn't address problem 1 - we had recently spent £35m on CBs who Rodgers might not have thought were given a proper chance. I don't agree with it but to me it makes more sense than not buying wide players. I have nothing against Firmino but I think that money would probably have been better spent on real wide players.

[BubbaZanetti]

Brendan Rodgers?

Aye

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The Chelsea situation is not helping. Last seasons champions sat where they are, on the back of another defeat. The guys over in Boston are probably looking on thinking mourihno is being given time and he won the league, he's doing worse than Brendan, lets not make any rash decisions. Meanwhile Roman will be in talks with klopp and we'll miss out.

Surely they can't just look at it this season in isolation, last year Mourinho won the league with Chelsea, where as last season we were like this. For Mourinho it's 4 or 5 bad games but he is capable of winning the title. With Rodgers it is 20 bad games and he has won nothing.

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Is this right

3 against West Ham.
3 against Palace.
3 against United, twice.
4 against Arsenal.
6 against Stoke
This within the last 12 league games?
#LFC

We only lost 2-1 to Man Utd last season and it's 14 games in total but still a fairly damning record

[BubbaZanetti]

How did they buy in with the Suarez deal already in the bag??

They bought in during the September or October and the Suarez deal was done in January

Incidentally wasn't it Comolli who FSG appointed that set up that entire deal

I think they have made errors and continue to do so on the football side of things but not crediting them for the signing of Suarez seems churlish

Yep, fair points all. I was several pints west when I posted and off the back of a spanking from an average man u side one can be slightly churlish

[Vermilion]

Just give Klopp a go before someone else does.

The Rodgers experiment is over, a failure, more time with Brendan is wasted time. imo.

Tbh, i think he got this job too early in his career.

[vlahka]

Rodgers Tactics and man management skills- Oi Benteke! Bare your teeth, like the mighty badger! Its what Suarez did and he scored loads!

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Graeme Souness and Jamie Carragher question Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers' tactics
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13/09/15 8:29am

Sky Sports pundits Graeme Souness and Jamie Carragher questioned Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers’ tactics as his side lost 3-1 to Manchester United at Old Trafford.

Rodgers' starting line-up against United saw Danny Ings and Roberto Firmino played out in wide positions and the former Liverpool players believe playing some of the current crop out of position is not helping performances.

Souness thinks Rodgers is handing his players an excuse by not playing them in their usual positions.

"The first thing you have to do with players is make them feel comfortable in positions they're playing in," Souness told Sky Sports.

"Firmino doesn't want to be out there. On the other side Ings doesn't want to be there. Right away they've got an excuse: 'This is not my position, I'm not used to it'.

"Ings spent most of that half running towards his own goal. He would class himself as a striker, he doesn't want to be doing that. What Firmino is I'm not quite sure, we might see that as the season pans out.

He added: "You've got square pegs in round holes and it just doesn't work. You have to make people feel they are playing in positions they are happy to play in and Liverpool haven't got that right now.

"They need goals. You won't always play well, but if you've got goalscorers it camouflages a multitude of sins and Liverpool have got to come up with a system.

"I think they have to sit the players down. They all know what their favourite positions are and he must know he's asking players to play out of position and I don't think some of them are very comfortable with that.

"You're handing them a big excuse."

Carragher believes Christian Benteke is not getting enough help in attack in the system Liverpool are playing at the moment.

The former Liverpool defender called for Rodgers to go back to playing two strikers up front rather than sticking with the current 4-3-3 formation.

He told Sky Sports: "There's not enough help for Benteke,

"Ings came in and I said before the game it must be two up front and they must be playing a diamond formation, but they were still playing 4-3-3.

"I don't understand what the point was in playing Danny Ings in that wide position. He didn't give the support to Benteke.

"You think about how many strikers Liverpool have on the books and they have no wide players. They've only got Jordon Ibe. Firmino is not a wide player and Coutinho played there last week and he's not a wide player.

"I don't understand this obsession with playing 4-3-3. Brendan Rodgers came to the club wanting to play 4-3-3 and it didn't work.

"The great season they had was with two strikers and how they got them into the team is down to the manager. They've got a lot of strikers, no wide players, and he continues to play 4-3-3."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/29328/9989211/graeme-souness-and-jamie-carragher-question-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-tactics?

Carra absolutely bang on. We don't have the players to play 4-3-3.

I've just figured it out, Lecter is Carragher!

Only joking Lecter.

[Daniel 7]

Its starting to feel a bit end of days for Brendan. Terrible decisions on lineups, players looking lost and unmotivated, Brendan looking shaken in interviews. His reasons, explanations and tactics sound bizarre and nonsensical - its the slippery slope. It would be better if they brought this to an end now, he was given a chance to turn it around, but its just not going to get any better.

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I don't think he knows what his ideal system is.

It's pretty safe to say his preferred system is a 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 hybrid that was the Swansea system and that's the system he's gone for every season with us

Problem is he never buys players to suit those systems hence why it looks like he hasn't got a clue

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Why is it with Rodgers we seem to be a very patchy side I've been looking through the league results in his time here and are capable or some phenomenal runs, but we are also capable of some utter ****?

2012-13
First 14 games W3 D7 L4 1.14 Pts/game
Next 12 games W6 D2 L4 1.67 Pts/game
Last 12 games W7 D4 L1 2.08 Pts/game
Over season 1.63 Pts/game

2013-14
First 13 games W7 D3 L3 1.84 Pts/game
Next 22 games W18 D2 L2 2.55 Pts/game
Last 3 games W1 D1 L1 1.33 Pts/game
Over season 2.21 Pts/game

2014-15
First 16 games W6 D3 L7 1.31 Pts/game
Next 13 games W10 D 3 L0 2.54 Pts/game
Last 9 games W2 D2 L5 0.89 Pts/game
Over season 1.61 Pts/game

This season
First 5 games W2 D1 L2 1.4 Pts/game

LFC Career 1.80 Pts/game

I know statistically you will have good and bad runs but there shouldn't so much varion between the two, last season going from a run of 2.54pts per game to 0.89

[Lecter]

I've just figured it out, Lecter is Carragher!

Only joking Lecter.

Haha

I wish I had his money, especially for talking about something like football

[Buzzo]

It wasn't convenient as it took more time then I would have liked.

You should just have said Rodgers needs more time and gone about your post. Starting a sentence with 'I was amongst one of the first posters' is just self-fiving to the max.

That's quite punitive.

He can't win, get slated for airing views at the time, or get slated for pointing out this is how you felt all along.

Everyone is pissed of with how it's going, but it does feel like there is a marshalling of opinion of those who thought we were ****ed from the end of last season.

With respect

[Mark79]

The Chelsea situation is not helping. Last seasons champions sat where they are, on the back of another defeat. The guys over in Boston are probably looking on thinking mourihno is being given time and he won the league, he's doing worse than Brendan, lets not make any rash decisions. Meanwhile Roman will be in talks with klopp and we'll miss out.

As if Why would FSG feel the need to take their cue from another club, who are in a different scenario anyway?

Jose's had a bad 5 games, Brendans had a bad 13 months.

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That's quite punitive.

He can't win, get slated for airing views at the time, or get slated for pointing out this is how you felt all along.

Everyone is pissed of with how it's going, but it does feel like there is a marshalling of opinion of those who thought we were ****ed from the end of last season.

With respect

It's purely my opinion and not related to moderating the forums. However, I wouldn't like to think opinions are marshalled as I'm (and Est1892) all for debate as to whether Rodgers stays or goes.

What grinds my gears is where it becomes who said what first: 'I wanted Rodgers out in May 2015', 'I wanted him gone in October 2014' and 'I was amongst the first'. Whoop-de-****ing-do.

It's as bad critiquing Rodgers' teeth and resorting to name calling (I know he doesn't read the forum before that tired excuse gets brandished, but it sets an uncomfortable tone and isn't really necessary).

I've said it elsewhere, but that's the first time I've really seen Rodgers set up a side to defend so resolutely; He's feeling the pressure and his nervousness is transferring to the team. The first half was dire with neither 'keeper really troubled (I'm sure there wasn't a single shot on target in the first half), yet we conspired amongst ourselves to **** it up.

In the first half Mignolet and Skrtel were a mess. Then in the second-half two set-piece goals from two defensive (both very much avoidable) **** ups played right in to Manchester United's hands. That first goal galvanised United and a one or two players going against the grain and realising danger would have resulted in no first goal and we'd have watched a drab nil, nil.

Rodgers goes away to United last season, attacks them and loses 3-0. Rodgers decides to be more defensive and his back five let him down. Rodgers picks the team, so blame is apportioned but we're talking fine lines here.