Brendan Rodgers

[kingfunk]

If we lose tonight I think he will be gone my 'mutual consent'.

[kingfunk]

I would had loved it if Rodgers had succeeded because I believe he has the tools to become a great manager. The problem is he is probably another 4-5 years away from achieving that. This job will have been an experience of a lifetime.

It's important not to forget that at the end of the day Rodgers genuinely wants the best for the club as much as we do. The owners need to take a share of the blame. Everything they have done since they arrived has been experimental at best.

It has not worked out and if Rodgers does go, and Ayre stays, we will be replacing the apple but the bowl will still be rotten.

[Lecter]

I would had loved it if Rodgers had succeeded because I believe he has the tools to become a great manager. The problem is he is probably another 4-5 years away from achieving that. This job will have been an experience of a lifetime.

It's important not to forget that at the end of the day Rodgers genuinely wants the best for the club as much as we do. The owners need to take a share of the blame. Everything they have done since they arrived has been experimental at best.

It has not worked out and if Rodgers does go, and Ayre stays, we will be replacing the apple but the bowl will still be rotten.

How many young managers go to a big club, fail to get success and manage to bounce back and become great managers???

I cant think of one anytime recently

[Slinky Skills]

If we lose tonight I think he will be gone my 'mutual consent'.

It's a very real possibility considering the way we're playing at the moment.

[frank the tank]

for me, if Brendan did leave LFC and looked back at his whole time at the club, then i think he might regret not accepting to work with a DoF when he was first approached by FSG.

Perhaps he just didn't like VanGaal (who was mooted at the time) but for me he could really do with a sounding board who has been through the whole process of managing a top club. Even Dalglish would have been a good choice - Brendan could have actually suggested that kenny be kept on in some capacity.

What he essentially got with the transfer committee was a potential isolated role when things went ****e. If you look at BRs tactical dealings with FSG in the summer, then it isnt a surprise that BR said to them "well I didn't want Balotelli.....I didn't want Markovic". For me it appears now that the club is split into "managers signings" and "committee signings" - and that is inevitably going to filter down to the players and negatively affect the morale within the club. So when someone like Origi isn't getting a look-in, then he is likely to be thinking that it is because he isn't a Rodgers selected transfer..... and when he sees someone like Ibe getting chances, then he's obviously going to get pissed off, talk to other players, and that starts a chain reaction.... Brendan then looks stupid when he plays Lovren ahead of Sakho.....and it continues to affect the whole club.

[kingfunk]

How many young managers go to a big club, fail to get success and manage to bounce back and become great managers???



I cant think of one anytime recently

How many young managers go to a top club and finish second in the league in as many years?

Neither stat proves anything.

[Maxiedge]

I would had loved it if Rodgers had succeeded because I believe he has the tools to become a great manager. The problem is he is probably another 4-5 years away from achieving that. This job will have been an experience of a lifetime.

It's important not to forget that at the end of the day Rodgers genuinely wants the best for the club as much as we do. The owners need to take a share of the blame. Everything they have done since they arrived has been experimental at best.

It has not worked out and if Rodgers does go, and Ayre stays, we will be replacing the apple but the bowl will still be rotten.

I used to think this but he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. It really is a case of leopard never changes its spots, unfortunately.

[Dalglish]

I really, *really* don't want to post this but I can't help myself. It's not really about Rodgers so it's probably a waste of time but it bothers me.

There is a clear xenophobia / misguided sense of patriotic loyalty in the football media in this country, it's crystal clear. Not on this forum, not among the fans (mostly)...but the media. There's not an ounce of pressure on Rodgers from the press. It's all coming from the fans - and rightly so. I didn't want to bring this up cos, of course, my foreign example is Benitez. Rodgers has spent and squandered a **** load more money than Benitez did, and his results are worse. Everything is worse. Yet Benitez got absolutely slaughtered from all quarters in the media. I don't need to go on about it (but remember Keys, Gray, Redknapp, Ronnie Whelan, Houghton etc - all of them FFS).....we all know what it was like. He got ****ing ruined. Those same people are preaching "give him time" about Rodgers. It's senseless, illogical and I can only conclude they're all xenophobes.

Bang on

[BigChief]

I used to think this but he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. It really is a case of leopard never changes its spots, unfortunately.

Sometimes you just need to know when to give up on someone.

[Shaggy]

Barrett in The Times:

Liverpool may have dismissed speculation about his future but, with the likes of Carlo Ancelotti hovering in the background, the manager must start winning - and quickly

In hindsight, Rafael Benítez can identify the moment when he should have realised that he was about to be replaced as Liverpool manager. In the aftermath of a 1-0 away defeat to Lille in the Uefa Cup, Benitez boarded the team bus to the airport and Christian Purslow, the club’s then chief executive, sat down next to him. As conversation about the game and the forthcoming second leg subsided, Purslow asked him for his thoughts on another manager – Fulham’s Roy Hodgson.

Five months later, Hodgson was confirmed as Benítez’s successor and the Spaniard belatedly realised that he had effectively been asked to provide a reference for the man who took his job. It is an anecdote from the past but one which has resonance today as Brendan Rodgers deals with the reality that there are much more blatant signals that his job is under growing threat. Liverpool might have denied reports that they have approached Carlo Ancelotti but the fact that such speculation has emerged is the latest indication that Rodgers’s position is becoming increasingly precarious. Unfortunately for the Northern Irishman, in the cut-throat business that is top level football, the vultures are now circling. Agents looking for uncertainty to take advantage of, perhaps to get their client a better deal or to flush out interest from other clubs, will look at Liverpool as easy meat. Linking a manager with the Liverpool job has no downside. Not only is Rodgers’s position in question, to such an extent that he is the bookmakers’ favourite to be the next Barclays Premier League manager to lose his job, but Liverpool also retains sufficient pulling power to be seen as the kind of club that someone with Ancelotti’s magnificent CV would at least consider.

All Rodgers can do is to carry on as if none of this is happening; believing that he can turn things around and hoping that his employers are not sounding out alternatives, even though his instinct, honed in an industry in which duplicity often comes as standard, will be telling him that it is unrealistic to expect owners of a major football club not to keep their options open. Liverpool have already denied the claims about Ancelotti, which originally emerged in Italy, but even if those reports are inaccurate now, Rodgers will know that should results not improve, it will only be a matter of time before a similar story emerges about another manager and it will be true.

This is the ground that Rodgers now occupies and it is why allowing him to continue as manager beyond the end of last season was always going to be a major gamble by Fenway Sports Group (FSG), Liverpool’s owners. The disappointing end to the previous campaign, where Liverpool lost an FA Cup semi-final against Aston Villa and suffered heavy league defeats to Arsenal, Crystal Palace and Stoke City, could have been sufficient for Rodgers to lose his job but FSG opted to give him one more chance, a display of loyalty the downsides of which they are now discovering.

It was always going to take just one further serious setback for Rodgers’s position to be placed in jeopardy again. That it came so early in the season, with West Ham United’s first win at Anfield since 1963, means that FSG are already wrestling with the idea of having to make a managerial change that they had passed up on only a matter of months earlier. The situation is further complicated by the backing that they afforded Rodgers during the summer, when seven players were recruited for a combined cost in the region of £80 million. Could they really dispense with the services of a manager in those circumstances?

The answer to that question is that Rodgers’ future will be dictated by forthcoming results. Ideally, FSG would like to persevere with the man they appointed as manager three years ago, primarily because they shared a philosophy, for at least the rest of this season. That limited ambition, though, has come under mounting strain in recent weeks and it has been telling that FSG made no attempt to remove uncertainty about Rodgers’s future following defeats to West Ham and Manchester United in stark contrast to last season, when losses to Crystal Palace and Stoke were greeted with strong assurances that the manager’s position was not in any doubt.

In the current atmosphere, one of high uncertainty and growing supporter disenchantment, Rodgers will have to get used to other managers being linked with his job. It may be unedifying and it may be contrary to the spirit of managerial solidarity, but Rodgers’s plight is going to be exploited by others, including those who have no interest in succeeding him because they realise the scale of the rebuilding job at Anfield.

The only way he can stop this from happening is by winning football matches, and enough of them to ensure that the kind of speculation he is experiencing shifts to another manager. If there is one consolation, it is that if anyone at Liverpool asks him for his opinion on Hodgson, previous events dictate that it could only possibly be an innocent enquiry.

[G]

Winning would be a start but there needs to be signs of a style and performances too or he'll still be on shaky ground.

[chadrtc]

Winning would be a start but there needs to be signs of a style and performances too or he'll still be on shaky ground.

He's screwed regardless. We could win the next ten on the bounce, but as soon as we lose one it will all kick off again.

He's done for at some point before the start of next season - winning the league is the only way he could turn this around... and there is no way that is going to happen. Even if he secured a top 4 finish, as soon as he has a couple of bad results, the same stuff about 'outstanding', 'his teeth' etc would be back on the agenda.

I want him to go now, mainly because i'm fed up of the sheer misery supporting this club has become for so many... and therefore all of us.

[Mark79]

He's screwed regardless. We could win the next ten on the bounce, but as soon as we lose one it will all kick off again.

He's done for at some point before the start of next season - winning the league is the only way he could turn this around... and there is no way that is going to happen. Even if he secured a top 4 finish, as soon as he has a couple of bad results, the same stuff about 'outstanding', 'his teeth' etc would be back on the agenda.

I want him to go now, mainly because i'm fed up of the sheer misery supporting this club has become for so many... and therefore all of us.

That stuff isn't on FSG's agenda though, just twitter and internet forums.
I think a top 4 finish would likely save him, given FSG's reluctance to get rid and that his expected target this season wouldn't have been to win the league anyway.

[peekay]

How many young managers go to a big club, fail to get success and manage to bounce back and become great managers???

I cant think of one anytime recently

Ancelotti is the only example I can think off and that is in the 90s.

[Lecter]

How many young managers go to a top club and finish second in the league in as many years?

Neither stat proves anything.

Arsene Wenger won the double in his 2nd season in charge he was only a few years older than Rodgers is now

Dalglish won the double in his first season in charge he was younger than Rodgers at the time

Outside of England, didn't Rafa win the league in his 2nd season at Valencia? Simeone finished 3rd and won the Europa in his 2nd season

I am sure there's plenty of others