Brendan Rodgers

[Maxiedge]

I think catalyst is the wrong word

You dont set your pressing by 1 player, you set it by being positionally in the correct areas

One player can make your press more effective (as Suarez AND Rush have done for us) but if you are not even getting into those positions it doesnt matter whether you have Suarez or not

As someone on here has mentioned we were never anywhere near as effective at pressing in 12/13 as we were in 13/14 and Suarez was in that side

When I woke up this morning, I really didn't think I'd be arguing with you over Rodgers and you'd be the one defending him

Ok, so why has he suddenly abandoned the pressing game that brought him so much success in that season? As I said, all the evidence suggests that it's not part of his make up as a manager.

Sorry to say this, but it's all akin to Harry Redknapps great season with Spurs

[redmike65]

And we can talk about net spend and whatever but we would be 10 times a better team and better club had we just not paid the close to £200m* we did on a load of ****e players and just ****in kept Suarez and Sterling and give them the money instead. **** we could just have recommissioned the Concorde and have let Suarez commute from Barcelona!!!

Was never going to happen, Luis was always heading to Spain and if Sterling didn't want to stay there is little point keeping him.

[Lecter]

When I woke up this morning, I really didn't think I'd be arguing with you over Rodgers and you'd be the one defending him

Ok, so why has he suddenly abandoned the pressing game that brought him so much success in that season? As I said, all the evidence suggests that it's not part of his make up as a manager.

Sorry to say this, but it's all akin to Harry Redknapps great season with Spurs

Why has he abandoned the 2 up top that he employed that season?

Why has he constantly gone back to the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 system he employed at Swansea and with us that first season when its never looked like working??

Listen I wanted him sacked in the summer because I was convinced he would try 4-3-3 again and it wouldnt work

[Maxiedge]

Why has he abandoned the 2 up top that he employed that season?

Why has he constantly gone back to the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 system he employed at Swansea and with us that first season when its never looked like working??

Listen I wanted him sacked in the summer because I was convinced he would try 4-3-3 again and it wouldnt work

Why did he play with one striker against Carlisle?

I don't know what's going on his head but I've come to the point where I despair for the next team he manages (if he continues down this path).

[Lecter]

Why did he play with one striker against Carlisle?

I don't know what's going on his head but I've come to the point where I despair for the next team he manages (if he continues down this path).

I have no idea about that either


I can only think hes so bogged down in his belief in death by football / possession and the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 hybrid system that hes missing the big picture

Maybe hes thinking it worked with 4-4-2 so there is no reason it shouldnt work with my system

Frankly when hes gone, hes someone elses problem and not ours

[Bender]

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[Daniel 7]

Well I hated being there last night - its the first time I have ever felt that way about being at Anfield. Obviously I was happy when Ingsy scored and when Bogdan pulled off his penalty saves, but I would have quite gladly left at full time along with the thousands of others who streamed out - but for my son wanting to stay to see extra time and the inevitable penalty shootout.

I'm going to be sorted out for tickets for the Sion game, but after last night I don't really want to go back whilst Rodgers is the manager. I'm sick and tired of the plodding, passionless, safety first football that's obviously on instruction, not feeling any belief that the manager has any clue how to beat opponents and paying money out to be bored out of my brain.

We looked this up last night after the game - the last time Liverpool scored more than 1 goal in a competitive fixture was against Burnley in MARCH. This is beyond parody now. I don't want to go back while he's there.

[el matador]

Suarez was a massive part of 13/14 but Rodgers has to take some credit

Whilst I think the formation (2 up top) was almost forced on him due to the form of Suarez & Sturridge, other parts of that system were down to his management

That season our pressing was great and that wasnt solely down to Suarez (although again he had a big part in it)

I cant fathom whilst he hasnt managed to get us to press anywhere near as successfully and the high line he tried that season has retreated back another 20 yards

Its almost like hes forgotten or wants to blank it out for some reason

Anyway 13/14 was 2 seasons ago, we have spent £200m since then, and 1-1 was the best we can do against a 4th Division side who sat their top-scorer on the bench

Regardless of what happened 2 seasons ago we are where we are now because of Rodgers' management

there are certain aspects of our demise from 2 seasons ago that are down to brendan rodgers but also the owners have to share some culpability too.

- In the defence of brendan rodgers - this is probably the first transfer window since the inception of the transfer committee where he has got he players he wanted.

IF we had had this transfer window last season we might be in a very different place right now. so if we bought milner, firmino, clyne, etc... in the last window instead of markovic, balotelli, lovren etc... we might be in a much better position. There are counter arguments to that in that lovren, lallana were rodgers own players anyway.

This summer's window is the one we should have had after suarez left.

- Rodgers, it seems has been fighting internal battles to get the power he wants. he has reformed the academy (not sure this is such a good thing), he wanted full control over all transfers etc... Why should the manager of lfc have this constant battle over power - rafa had it towards the end and it ruined him.

However, the arguments against rodgers stack up probably better and are more persuasive. The turgid football we play, this misconception about him having a clear identity as an attacking manager, the fact that we cant defend for ****, we have a rubbish midfield, players being constantly played out of position, him favouring his own signings over the committee ones, the constant bull**** we have to listen to in press conferences.

Going back to 13/14. Rodgers deserves credit for that season. BUT as a manager you have to be a complete imbecile to ignore that fact that you have 2 forwards who were playing at a very high level and both were scoring goals for fun.

This was my argument at the time and its the same now. When you have 2 lads score over 50 goals a season between them and one of them is the best striker in the world, all you have to do as a manager is to get the ball into their feet in the right areas and make sure the defence keeps some sort of shape when theyre doing their business.

Although he deserves credit for that season, its not as much as people make out, because our form since 'that' season and suarez has gone down the pan.

But sacking him now makes no sense either.

[RedRum]

Didi Hamann making sense in my opinion

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...Dietmar-Hamann

[Fredo]

Losing Suarez and not getting Sanchez was a big issue. Again, to be fair to Rodgers, he's lost 3 big players over the last 2 years. Suarez, Sterling and Gerrard, and to a lesser extent Sturridge.

[Lecter]

there are certain aspects of our demise from 2 seasons ago that are down to brendan rodgers but also the owners have to share some culpability too.

- In the defence of brendan rodgers - this is probably the first transfer window since the inception of the transfer committee where he has got he players he wanted.

IF we had had this transfer window last season we might be in a very different place right now. so if we bought milner, firmino, clyne, etc... in the last window instead of markovic, balotelli, lovren etc... we might be in a much better position. There are counter arguments to that in that lovren, lallana were rodgers own players anyway.

This summer's window is the one we should have had after suarez left.

- Rodgers, it seems has been fighting internal battles to get the power he wants. he has reformed the academy (not sure this is such a good thing), he wanted full control over all transfers etc... Why should the manager of lfc have this constant battle over power - rafa had it towards the end and it ruined him.

However, the arguments against rodgers stack up probably better and are more persuasive. The turgid football we play, this misconception about him having a clear identity as an attacking manager, the fact that we cant defend for ****, we have a rubbish midfield, players being constantly played out of position, him favouring his own signings over the committee ones, the constant bull**** we have to listen to in press conferences.

Going back to 13/14. Rodgers deserves credit for that season. BUT as a manager you have to be a complete imbecile to ignore that fact that you have 2 forwards who were playing at a very high level and both were scoring goals for fun.

This was my argument at the time and its the same now. When you have 2 lads score over 50 goals a season between them and one of them is the best striker in the world, all you have to do as a manager is to get the ball into their feet in the right areas and make sure the defence keeps some sort of shape when theyre doing their business.

Although he deserves credit for that season, its not as much as people make out, because our form since 'that' season and suarez has gone down the pan.

But sacking him now makes no sense either.

I genuinely dont think giving him control of the transfers 1 season earlier would have made a lick of difference to where we are now

If you believe the rumours Borini, Allen, Mignolet, Lovren and Lallana were all his buys

Plus all the players this summer

If if wants to play the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 system then where are his wide players??

He had Coutinho yet wanted Lallana but again hes no wide player and both are unsuited to Rodgers 4-3-3 system

Then this summer he had Coutinho and Lallana and went out and signed Firmino who again cant play wide

Thats before we even get to playing 1 up top and bringing in 3 forwards this summer (none of whom are suited to playing wide in a 4-3-3)

Our form is ****ing shocking, our performances have been utter ****e and last night we drew 1-1 against a 4th Division side so I would say sacking him makes perfect sense now

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Well I hated being there last night - its the first time I have ever felt that way about being at Anfield. Obviously I was happy when Ingsy scored and when Bogdan pulled off his penalty saves, but I would have quite gladly left at full time along with the thousands of others who streamed out - but for my son wanting to stay to see extra time and the inevitable penalty shootout.

I'm going to be sorted out for tickets for the Sion game, but after last night I don't really want to go back whilst Rodgers is the manager. I'm sick and tired of the plodding, passionless, safety first football that's obviously on instruction, not feeling any belief that the manager has any clue how to beat opponents and paying money out to be bored out of my brain.

We looked this up last night after the game - the last time Liverpool scored more than 1 goal in a competitive fixture was against Burnley in MARCH. This is beyond parody now. I don't want to go back while he's there.

We put 2 past Newcastle and QPR after that game, maybe another too?

But I agree with your points, I felt I was there because I had to be last night rather than because I wanted to be. When the Carlisle fans started singing "you're getting sacked in the morning" I felt instinctively like joining in and had to stop myself, honestly its gotten to that point now.. 4th season and are we better than when he took over? He doesn't know how to win, he's a chancer.

He's obsessed with 433, he can't grasp it worked for Swansea because they had direct pacy wingers in a team with was good in possession due to its shape. He's also obsessed with a target man, his best ever season in football came with a proper grafer in Suarez in tandem with Sturridge, both had really clever movement and between them a fair bit of pace as well as being direct and stretching defenders for fun, pulling them out of position and creating space.

Here we see him setting up with Lallana/Coutinho/Firmino in wide areas and Benteke upfront completely isolated. Its criminal.

[Lecter]

Didi Hamann making sense in my opinion

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...Dietmar-Hamann

Look at the last paragraph

Liverpool host Carlisle in the Capital One Cup third round tonight.

He's probably changed his mind this morning

[el matador]

I genuinely dont think giving him control of the transfers 1 season earlier would have made a lick of difference to where we are now

If you believe the rumours Borini, Allen, Mignolet, Lovren and Lallana were all his buys

Plus all the players this summer

If if wants to play the 4-3-3 / 4-3-2-1 system then where are his wide players??

He had Coutinho yet wanted Lallana but again hes no wide player and both are unsuited to Rodgers 4-3-3 system

Then this summer he had Coutinho and Lallana and went out and signed Firmino who again cant play wide

Thats before we even get to playing 1 up top and bringing in 3 forwards this summer (none of whom are suited to playing wide in a 4-3-3)

Our form is ****ing shocking, our performances have been utter ****e and last night we drew 1-1 against a 4th Division side so I would say sacking him makes perfect sense now

I think fans can ignore all the rest of the baggage that he has as long as they can see a coherent plan on the pitch. There isn't a plan to use some of the players we bought.

Benteke - needs crosses to play to his strengths and we have no wide players to put in crosses in for him. All our wide players cut in and when Gomez played left back, no one to cross from the left.

Milner - clearly not a central midfield player in a 2, could do a job in a 3. We switch to a back 5 and leave Lucas and Milner in the middle. Milner has appeared lost and looks like a complete headless chicken.

Firmino - best position as a 10 and we switch to a formation that means firmino and Coutinho compete for that spot. Coutinho isn't a 10 - never in a million years because he cant score goals. Firmino is but cannot get a game in that role. He's shifted out wide.

Clyne - frustrates me the most - the lad is the best right back in the country yet we want him to play right wing back where he's ****. What's the point

[The_weatherman]

Hamann isn't talking sense IMO, Rodgers has too little support IMO. If a manager loses the fan-base to an extent like this, he needs to go, if can't turn things around and the atmosphere will be getting worse and worse. It's very destructive for the club, the players and the fans, for the good of everybody, Rodgers included, he should be let go.