Brendan Rodgers

[Neil Young]

Welcome back, Roy.

[Airman]

So you're more bothered about all the other stats in a game over the final ones - the score and the points?

I personally couldn't care less if, at the end of a game, we had 30% total possession of the game, 1 shot on target or 25 shots on target as long as we won the game. Yes you may find links between certain stats but at the end of the day the team that scores the most goals gets the most points, and the team with the most points wins the league. Like I said, I'm probably old school and over simplify this game...

There should be more old school thinking like this.

[SimonNo7]

Welcome back, Roy.

Thanks Neil

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be trying different things and formations but people get too hung up on all the stats being banded about these days and forget about the most important ones, the ones that really matter.

I see reports on games where it's so and so had 75% of the possession, they had 'x' number of shots on target to the opposition's one, they made more passes and tackles than the opposition and they should of won. But hey, guess what, they didn't, they lost because the opposition put the round thing in the big netted thing more times than they did and got the 3 points...

[dww]

Thanks Neil

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be trying different things and formations but people get too hung up on all the stats being banded about these days and forget about the most important ones, the ones that really matter.

I see reports on games where it's so and so had 75% of the possession, they had 'x' number of shots on target to the opposition's one, they made more passes and tackles than the opposition and they should of won. But hey, guess what, they didn't, they lost because the opposition put the round thing in the big netted thing more times than they did and got the 3 points...

The logical conclusion of this seems to be that all reports should just be the score.

I honestly don't think that people do care more about particular stats more than the score. It's just a way of representing a richer representation of what happened than the result, whilst also trying to be more objective than a purely poetic/personal narrative.

[CJ]

Thanks Neil

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be trying different things and formations but people get too hung up on all the stats being banded about these days and forget about the most important ones, the ones that really matter.

I see reports on games where it's so and so had 75% of the possession, they had 'x' number of shots on target to the opposition's one, they made more passes and tackles than the opposition and they should of won. But hey, guess what, they didn't, they lost because the opposition put the round thing in the big netted thing more times than they did and got the 3 points...

I wonder why successful managers/coaches are interested in all this data, analysis and information.

[little dave hedgehog]

i'm willing to bet that most often, the stats and the scores match the way you'd suppose they would. people only bring up the stats when they're misleading.

[BigChief]

i'm willing to bet that most often, the stats and the scores match the way you'd suppose they would. people only bring up the stats when they're misleading.

Good point LRM Little Rick Moranis chuckle

[chadrtc]

There should be more old school thinking like this.

We tried that with Hodgy... It didn't work out too well.

[dww]

i'm willing to bet that most often, the stats and the scores match the way you'd suppose they would. people only bring up the stats when they're misleading.

I think that would depend on the stat. I suspect a lot of the time peoples perceptions are way out (see Lucas and the 'always loses possession myth').

Often point is to see how things are connected - i.e. Barcelona have a huge amount of possession per shot but win a lot of matches - in general both no. shots and possession correlate with victory. Alladyce teams focus on one part of that Rodgers another.

[Airman]

We tried that with Hodgy... It didn't work out too well.

I actually meant that stats mean absoutely nothing apart from the ones of scoring more goals than the opponents in the match and accumulating more points than the oppostion overall.

[SimonNo7]

The logical conclusion of this seems to be that all reports should just be the score.

I honestly don't think that people do care more about particular stats more than the score. It's just a way of representing a richer representation of what happened than the result, whilst also trying to be more objective than a purely poetic/personal narrative.

To us fans, yes. To the managers/coaches that CJ mentions below no.

The problems start when us fans try using these stats, coming to our own conclusions as to what they mean and trying to argue that one player is better than another or one team played better than the other because the stats say so but then the most important stats show that team A scored more goals than team B even though team B played better because the stats say so or that striker B is better than striker A even though striker A scored a hat-trick but the stats say striker B is the better player. And breathe. Do you get where I'm coming from?

I wonder why successful managers/coaches are interested in all this data, analysis and information.

Because they are the ones who really understand them but then again stats may show a player is superb but when they buy them they turn out to be a donkey...

Hey, I'm not saying all stats bar the score and points are ****e, I'm just saying too many people hang on them and try to use them when this game we all love keeps showing us otherwise...

[dww]

To us fans, yes. To the managers/coaches that CJ mentions below no.

The problems start when us fans try using these stats, coming to our own conclusions as to what they mean and trying to argue that one player is better than another or one team played better than the other because the stats say so but then the most important stats show that team A scored more goals than team B even though team B played better because the stats say so or that striker B is better than striker A even though striker A scored a hat-trick but the stats say striker B is the better player. And breathe. Do you get where I'm coming from?

I just wrote a long post and then lost it so I will summarise it thus:

I see your point but disagree.

Bit about it just being another way to discuss a game. Some people abuse it but such is life.

Kevin Lisbie once scored a hat trick against us, Ronaldo never has. I thus infer Lisbie > Ronaldo.

[RedReet]

I just wrote a long post and then lost it so I will summarise it thus:

I see your point but disagree.

Bit about it just being another way to discuss a game. Some people abuse it but such is life.

Kevin Lisbie once scored a hat trick against us, Ronaldo never has. I thus infer Lisbie > Ronaldo.

9 years ago already.

What is it about nothing players having their career defining moments against us?

[SimonNo7]

I just wrote a long post and then lost it so I will summarise it thus:

I see your point but disagree.

Bit about it just being another way to discuss a game. Some people abuse it but such is life.

Kevin Lisbie once scored a hat trick against us, Ronaldo never has. I thus infer Lisbie > Ronaldo.

That is what forums like these are supposed to be about. Differences of opinion without all the vitriolicism that you tend to get

He did indeed on that day, and on that day and in that match he proved to have the best stats for the most important stats, ie he scored 3 goals which won the game and thus the all vital 3 points.

Having said that Ronaldo is quite obviously the better player but while it is right to look at the bigger picture stats, it still comes down to each 90 minutes and at the end of those 90 minutes the stats that really matter are the which team scored the most goals and which team got the most points.

I think we've probable done this to death now so

[RedReet]