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    Surplus of virtues looks fine in theory but not in practice

    By Dion Fanning
    Sunday December 30 2012

    Football's great truth is that managers need time, although it's probably not true at all. Good managers need time; bad managers look as lost after two years as they were after two months. The reason this doesn't become clear is that, due to the extreme Darwinism of football, bad managers aren't usually in a job after two years.

    Should owners also be given time? Two years ago FSG made the first big decision of their ownership of Liverpool when they dismissed Roy Hodgson. Nothing they have done since has worked out as well.

    The appointment of Brendan Rodgers was trailed as the moment FSG started trusting their instincts. They had reluctantly appointed Kenny Dalglish and then they took the brave decision to dismiss him.

    In the summer, they had promised a smarter way of doing things. Some of these ideas have been implemented, some haven't. Signs of superior intelligence have yet to be detected.

    One of the ideas was that Liverpool would operate as a collective. Rodgers doesn't act alone in the transfer market. Some within the club were said to have questioned the wisdom of paying £15m for Joe Allen which looks like a very good question.

    The idea of the collective will only go so far. If Rodgers fails, it should be said that FSG have failed as they have failed so often in key appointments. Whatever happens to Rodgers should now also happen to them. The idea that this would be a season of transition predates Rodgers. Liverpool were planning to cut the wage bill and introduce some young players no matter who took the job. This was a sensible approach and a compelling one when it comes to boosting the morale of whoever transfers the money into Joe Cole's account each month.

    Transition works best, however, if there is some indication where you might be going. If the transition was the transition from big club to small club, then the transition can be said to be going entirely to plan.

    John W Henry promised in September that Liverpool wouldn't be stung in the transfer market again. This week Liverpool will sign Daniel Sturridge for £12m. John W Henry hasn't been seen or heard from much since he made those promises. He had been the most articulate supporter of the new philosophy at Liverpool.

    Henry and FSG bought into Rodgers' pitch last summer, even if right now it seems like merely a spiel rather than the initial declaration of an outstanding manager.

    Perhaps the plan to make this a season of transition has made Rodgers sound as he does at Liverpool. The club needed a salesman and they got one. For whatever reason, Rodgers appears to have no noticeable competitive instinct. If he has, it has been very well disguised.

    If he is to become a great coach, he may do so despite being one of the few who doesn't place not losing high on the list of priorities. Rodgers has always looked sanguine when reflecting on one of Liverpool's many, many defeats this season. Perhaps he is ferocious in the dressing room and simply protects his players in public.

    Others might suggest that Rodgers is showing that most essential trait in a coach, the ability not to over-react to victory or defeat.

    Yet when Liverpool beat Fulham a week after the capitulation to Aston Villa, Rodgers did not shrug or ask more from his team. In fact, he couldn't have been happier if he had done the post-match interviews in a funny hat while reading out bad jokes from Christmas crackers. Fulham had played as if they felt their civil liberties were being infringed simply by being asked to travel so far from home but Rodgers took the opportunity to hail his team.

    "There were aspects of the game where I saw everything I want my team to be and that was the most encouraging aspect of what was an outstanding response to last week's defeat."

    Liverpool's outstanding response to that victory was another defeat, this time to Stoke. Chad Harbach suggests in The Art of Fielding that coaching involves telling a player the story he wants to hear about himself, emphasising the struggle and the obstacles that were going to get in the way. "People loved to suffer, as long as the suffering made sense."

    Rodgers tells a story of beautiful losers. He talks magnificently. His team will cause "death by football", he said, even though death in football is always caused by victory.

    Liverpool have played some nice football this season but the philosophy which has gained most ground at Anfield is a philosophy of losing.

    There are other styles of management. There are those who will point to Alex Ferguson as the role model. They will recall the Scottish Cup final in 1983 and the glorious scenes of celebration as Aberdeen beat Rangers. As his players cavorted behind him, Ferguson gave a post-match interview during which he described the Cup-winning performance as disgraceful.

    He may have subsequently apologised for his comments but Ferguson was setting certain standards. By giving an interview on what for normal men would be a happy occasion and suggesting that these cup-winning players would be lucky to play for the club again, he was developing his own ideas of death by football. Or death by Alex Ferguson. Ferguson, of course, was given time at Manchester United, a fateful decision as it allowed all who came after him, most of them bad managers, to suggest that they needed time as well.

    Rodgers has given few indications since he arrived at Liverpool that he will do much with time. Daniel Sturridge will sign for Liverpool this week. He has been described as an unimaginative signing which would be fine if he turns out to be good.

    Liverpool have made a series of unimaginative signings in the last two years. In other words, they have signed a lot of British players. Few of them have been any good.

    Rodgers sounds less and less convincing. He is the Aaron Sorkin of football, a man who promotes beautiful notions that have no connection to the real world with a relentless zeal. Usually by the 23rd episode of one of Sorkin's shows, some of us are feeling nauseous and repressing feelings of irrational hatred towards the impossibly virtuous characters.

    Rodgers promotes a style of football that is over-burdened with virtue but lacks knowledge of how the world works. He gave his players Christmas Day off, a wonderful gesture, especially to the people of Stoke who Liverpool were playing the next day.

    FSG will give him time because they have no option – they are giving themselves time too. Time might help Brendan Rodgers, but, it would help him most of all if he used it to become a different type of manager. Unless Rodgers changes, time won't change anything.

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    Sadly I think the media will put even more heat on Rodgers if we struggle to pick up points in what is a difficult next 6 games.

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      Originally posted by el matador View Post
      Big difference between rafas first season which was disappointing in the league and Rodgers first season is that rafa gave us brilliant champions league results which demonstrated that this guy knew what he was doing. I mean how on earth did we beat juventus who then were probably the best team in Europe.

      The midweek cl games generated a huge feel good factor amongst the fans which Rodgers hasn't yet. But its not his fault were not in the champions league because he's done ok in Europe.
      To be fair though, most of those good wins were in the second half of the season. We limped through the group stage needing to beat olympiakos in our last game to go through. In fact there are lots of similarities between the first half of that season under rafa and now (soft goals conceded in the same manner week after week, some bad losses against birmingham at home and bolton and middlesborough away, but a good comfortable win vs Norwich and we put four past Fulham), and rafa only had three more points than rodgers after 19 games despite inheriting a top four side - that season we kicked on after Christmas though and won the big one. Mind you, would be some achievement for rodgers now to go on to finish fifth this season and win the uefa cup.

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        Originally posted by marcus50bucks View Post

        Sadly I think the media will put even more heat on Rodgers if we struggle to pick up points in what is a difficult next 6 games.
        This is it. Mancs, City and Arsenal away are 3 nightmare games. I hardly dare think about how bad it'll get if, as expected, we lose those games.
        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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          It's odd but when I hear ex-players (not ex-LFC ones who might be biased) talk about Rodgers they all seem to say they think it will improve in time, yet that's not what the journos say and it's not what the fans feel.

          I'm not suggesting we should put more store in what ex-players might say, it just strikes me as an interesting divergence of opinion.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
            This is it. Mancs, City and Arsenal away are 3 nightmare games. I hardly dare think about how bad it'll get if, as expected, we lose those games.
            Aye Shaggy. You know my take on Rodger but I'd be lying if I said I'm not worried for him.

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              Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
              Today's Sunday Times apparently claims the Swansea player we had lined up to replace Agger, should he have left, was ALAN TATE. Now on loan at Leeds.
              I'm guessing Rodgers was convinced in Coates or Carra to step in and play first team football, with Tate on the bench. If he actually believed Tate could play as a first team regular, we'd surely have took him on loan ourselves.

              Those wondering where the cash for Agger would have gone, I'm guessing further upfield. If that story is true of course.
              Forwards.......

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                Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                Today's Sunday Times apparently claims the Swansea player we had lined up to replace Agger, should he have left, was ALAN TATE. Now on loan at Leeds.
                Quite clearly a load of ****, he didnt even play him in the league last season.

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                  Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                  It's odd but when I hear ex-players (not ex-LFC ones who might be biased) talk about Rodgers they all seem to say they think it will improve in time, yet that's not what the journos say and it's not what the fans feel.

                  I'm not suggesting we should put more store in what ex-players might say, it just strikes me as an interesting divergence of opinion.
                  Of course it will improve, BR would be one very ****e manager if he can't after 20 years coaching improve us from where we are.

                  How much will it improve is the question, and will it just be more time wasted on a manager that ultimately wasn't up to the job.

                  A question nobody can answer i know, but there are different levels of faith as to what the answer will be.

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                    Originally posted by Chris View Post
                    Quite clearly a load of ****, he didnt even play him in the league last season.
                    I hope so. No idea who wrote it. Maybe the CB in question was Ashley Williams.
                    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                      Originally posted by Chris View Post
                      Quite clearly a load of ****, he didnt even play him in the league last season.


                      When fit a place on the bench was the best he could do.

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                        Originally posted by Chris View Post
                        Quite clearly a load of ****, he didnt even play him in the league last season.
                        Very true actually. He played Williams & Caulker ahead of him. Maybe as back up though? And I doubt he'd have paid £6m. But who are we to not believe a newspaper article?
                        Forwards.......

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                          Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                          Very true actually. He played Williams & Caulker ahead of him. Maybe as back up though? And I doubt he'd have paid £6m. But who are we to not believe a newspaper article?
                          Doubt it, he wasnt even first choice back up at Swansea either. Think a journo has had a shocker here or just got confused with Williams like Shaggy said.

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                            Surely we should all agree that any manager or player who comes in should get a whole season before being dismissed. At the end of that season we can then decide if enough has been shown to suggest they can make it Liverpool FC.

                            That said, I think people are within their rights to question something when it is not going to plan. And this season clearly isn't. I remain convinced 90% of us will say he deserves at least another season after this one though - but down to what he has shown, not just for the sake of it.
                            Forwards.......

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                              Originally posted by Chris View Post
                              Doubt it, he wasnt even first choice back up at Swansea either. Think a journo has had a shocker here or just got confused with Williams like Shaggy said.
                              I'd say the journal had a shocker. There were rumours of Willians to LFC though.
                              Forwards.......

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                                Nicked off rawk.

                                The biggest problem facing us at the moment isn't the managers tactics or who we need to sign this transfer window it's the effect that the last few years has had on the fanbase. We're slowly turning into the worst type of Newcastle fans, (not you, Black and White Paul). The type of fans we used to laugh at a few seasons ago, constantly looking for the 'new messiah' and in their impatience dooming every manager to failure irrespective of how good they are. It may be a cliche but it's the most important lesson any football fan can learn; it takes time to build anything of worth, unless you have an oil shiek or a Russian gangster willing to throw millions at your mistakes. You still make the mistakes but they don't matter, a bit like football manager you're not playing in the real world.

                                We were different, make no mistake. That difference came about many reasons but was reinforced over a long period. We were a managers club. A club where we were immune from the tittle tattle of the sports journalists with their short term mentality based on who's doing well this week. We laughed as they lynched another Ingerland manager,knowing we would never be effected by such idiocy. We'd learnt through experience of watching Shankly dismantle his first side, we watched as it took a few wrong turns to get the mix right. Nothing teaches a manager more than the experience of defeat.

                                Slowly things changed. Towards the end of Houlliers reign someone unfurled a banner with 'Houllier Out' at a home game. Unthinkable to the majority but the start of the process that leads us into the mess we are in today. Rafa Benitez delivered two Champions League finals in three years. Think about what an incredible achievement that was. Yet many of our fans could not see that he was being ****ed over by a pair of shysters destroying the club from within. They believed the football genius's of the press and old player brigade who told us he was negative playing two holding midfielders with only one in attack, a system that won a World Cup and is being played by nearly everyone today. The same football genius's who laughed at rotation and zonal marking both accepted orthodoxies today. The same people who said we were two man side, Gerrard and Carragher, while Xabi Alonso et al played for us, yet used it as a stick to beat Benitez with later on. You couldn't make it up. We were lucky enough to be sitting in a bar outside the Bernabaeu, thanks to Rafa, listening to Sky News on our phones, worried that Rafa was being sacked before we beat Real in their own back yard and totally destroyed them at Anfield. So who was right then, the football genius's of the Media and those influenced by them or the the fans that ignored them and made the banner 'Focusing on Supporting our Manager.

                                Kenny Dalglish has forgotten more about football than anyone on here. He went along with the Comolli mistake because of his love for the club and his pleasure at being back in charge, he even refused to cut him lose when it would have been advantageous to him to do so. Honour is a commodity we're not used to seeing in football but then Kenny had very good teachers. He likes a tight defence coupled with total flexibility up front, for those who were prepared to wait it would have been an exciting journey but there were far too many 'experts' who knew better than Kenny, that contributed to the background, where FSG felt confident to cut a legend adrift, out of touch with the modern game, behave. Towards the end of last season I listened to a podcast that I enjoy listening to and apart from one dissenting voice I couldn't tell it apart from the mainstream criticism of Kenny, and on RAWK lets have a critical voice but also make sure we spend as much time discussing what we're doing right, defending the manager from the ****e that's aimed at Liverpool from those who love to see us fail, otherwise all you see is the criticism despite the good intentions.

                                When FSG felt confident enough to sack Kenny I'd have loved the return of Rafa but that wasn't happening with Ian Ayer still at the club, with his 'inexperience', so I hoped for a young manger with ideas and a vision, so I was not disappointed with Rodgers appointment.

                                Yeah, it's easy to see he's inexperienced at this level, this is a step up for him. Anyone can see that we like to push our fullbacks up, and our midfield's vulnerable defensively, not providing protection for the two centrebacks leaving a gaping hole, although at Stoke it was setplays that undid us rather than this. I sometimes think Brendan's too open with his vision, and talks as if all his ideas are new to fans brought up on a passing game but the point is if this is what we concentrate on we'll do in another manager and that will be a total disaster for us.

                                If we can see the gap in our defence, Brendan can and will be working on it, he's sticking with it for a reason, let's speculate on that rather than talking about him as if he's a total knob, leave that nonsense to the journalists who want do us harm. We are a side with marauding fullbacks, set up to play exciting attacking football but through the 'inexperience' of FSG we were left with no one in attack. Brendan obviously thought we had a striker in the bag when he agreed to Carroll's loan, that wasn't the time for FSG to play hardball over a few million, it didn't take a talksport genius to see we'd struggle for goals in this situation but at times we've created fantastic chances, it's fixable and will be at the top of Rodger's agenda.

                                Rafa started the ball rolling, but Rodgers has brought through some fantastic young players into the first team squad with all the advantages and yes disadvantages that brings. If we only look short-term and come out with utter ****e like QPR being make or break, we'll **** up this club for a long time maybe for ever. Rodger's isn't infallible, no one is but he is reflective and he'll learn from his mistakes like Rafa does and like the great duo Shanks and Paisley did before him. However he needs more than half a season, even a deadbeat like Alex Ferguson got six or seven seasons before he sorted it out. Rodgers is our chance to break out of midtable mediocrity, with a team playing exciting football, but he'll need support now, when there's a storm around him, not amateur smartarses pointing out his mistakes and pretending he thinks possession is the new goalscoring. It's precisely because we all care what happens to this club and won't accept mediocrity that we should be supporting him now. As some very wise Kopites put it, now is the time to be 'Focusing on Supporting our Manager.

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