Brendan Rodgers

[RichC]

Is he actually on tape saying this on the TAW

[DannyMan2006]

Regarding the signing players from Swansea, Leon Britton to cover Lucas would have been a great shout. And Vorm, Sinclair, Taylor & Williams would all have provided solid competition for places.

That said, ideally I'd rather we signed better players than what we have, as opposed to players who it could be argued are at best of a similar level to what we have.

[G]

Is he actually on tape saying this on the TAW

It's audio of an interview session held in melwood for websites and Bloggers.

Yes it's actually him saying it.

[RichC]

Refer to point made earlier

If its about only paying X for players over a certain age I can understand that, they'll have a far quicker diminishing return on whatever you've paid than someone younger, it doesn't help us short term of course but if correctly implemented (which it probably hasn't so far) medium to long term it could really pay dividends for us.

[Phoenix07]

If its about only paying X for players over a certain age I can understand that, they'll have a far quicker diminishing return on whatever you've paid than someone younger, it doesn't help us short term of course but if correctly implemented (which it probably hasn't so far) medium to long term it could really pay dividends for us.

We're basically copying Arsenal in terms of transfer policy prior to the summer 2011 when Wenger went for Arteta, Santos and Benayoun and then the summer 2012 in Cazorla and Podolski because he needed experience.

There also has to be some sort of rationale when we're spending on younger players i.e. Carroll, Henderson Allen and then Sturridge. We shouldn't just spunk our load just because they are in their early twenties. We could've, and should've got them for cheaper than we have done. If the rumour is true that we were prepared to pay £15million for Sturridge in August, then that is just absurd.

Suarez and probably Ince will prove very good value for money and it is unfair to judge Borini at this moment because of his injury.

Remember that Arsenal went down this route and it's been a mixed bag for them. They've secured Champions League football consistently, but even that is faltering every season.

[DannyMan2006]

Is he actually on tape saying this on the TAW

It's a twisting of words & comments. Rodgers is not, nor has he ever been, under the impression that he gets a set budget and signs who he wants. He tells the board the player he wants and argues the case for signing them. The same way in which Commoli & Dalglish had to argue the case.

Obviously, since that debacle the ship has been tightened a little and better arguments must be put forward. I'm 100% confident FSG would back the signing of an RVP type player if it meant we could target the league. But they won't sanction the signing of decent players like Dempsey who will guarantee nothing but 6th place at best.

We will target young & hungry players for decent size fees but lowish wages and once they have grown together and we are in a position to win things, that's when we'll see the signing of experienced players to fill the last gaps. Think Arsenals plan, but instead of selling their best players, we keep them and add top quality to finish the job.

Think that plan will take a good few years though, which is the difficult part. But we don't have the money to do it the City/Chelsea way.

[el matador]

The assaidi rumours have been there for a while about him not being a Rodgers signing.

from the transcript it seems like the committee have the final say on the player coming in but do the committee fully understand what role the player must fill in the team. I doubt it very much because only the guy who's set the tactical blueprint would know that.

Looks like fsg are going to take the continental route where players are bought in and given to the manager. I remember rafas quote about wanting a sofa and being given a chair or something when he was at Valencia.

No director of football but maybe Rodgers has to put up with worse.

[G]

Refer to point made earlier

If its about only paying X for players over a certain age I can understand that, they'll have a far quicker diminishing return on whatever you've paid than someone younger, it doesn't help us short term of course but if correctly implemented (which it probably hasn't so far) medium to long term it could really pay dividends for us.

Yeah but if a manager knows a team needs experience and he isn't allowed buy it then we'll be forever the nearly men, always waiting for our young players to mature and provide that experience.

It's not a long term approach, it's a really, really long term approach and one the manager clearly doesn't agree with, he cites carzola as an example of someone he doesn't consider to be too old and who can still provide value but the inference is that the owners wouldn't agree.

EDIT:- what phoenix said

[RichC]

Oh I know what you're saying, it has the potential to succeed but you need to buy well Arsenal have on occasions and haven't on others, our problem is so far it's at best a mixed bag and we do need another "game changer" like Suarez to come in which would help the younger "for the future" players being brought.

I get why they're doing it but whether it will work depends on the strength of the signings, I also think the idea behind a downing and even Adam was to give experience on the pitch to the younger signings as they bed in, monumental ****ing fail there

[G]

It's a twisting of words & comments. Rodgers is not, nor has he ever been, under the impression that he gets a set budget and signs who he wants. He tells the board the player he wants and argues the case for signing them. The same way in which Commoli & Dalglish had to argue the case.

Obviously, since that debacle the ship has been tightened a little and better arguments must be put forward. I'm 100% confident FSG would back the signing of an RVP type player if it meant we could target the league. But they won't sanction the signing of decent players like Dempsey who will guarantee nothing but 6th place at best.

We will target young & hungry players for decent size fees but lowish wages and once they have grown together and we are in a position to win things, that's when we'll see the signing of experienced players to fill the last gaps. Think Arsenals plan, but instead of selling their best players, we keep them and add top quality to finish the job.

Think that plan will take a good few years though, which is the difficult part. But we don't have the money to do it the City/Chelsea way.

Sounds good but will suffer from the same problems that the Arsenal approach did. Our young players who develop into really top players may get fed up of waiting for us to challenge and will decide to leave, just like at Arsenal.

[DannyMan2006]

The assaidi rumours have been there for a while about him not being a Rodgers signing.

from the transcript it seems like the committee have the final say on the player coming in but do the committee fully understand what role the player must fill in the team. I doubt it very much because only the guy who's set the tactical blueprint would know that.

Looks like fsg are going to take the continental route where players are bought in and given to the manager. I remember rafas quote about wanting a sofa and being given a chair or something when he was at Valencia.

No director of football but maybe Rodgers has to put up with worse.

When signed, Rodgers said he had been scouting Assaidi at Swansea. I'm not convinced he was against his signing. And if he was, I can only imagine we were already committed to his signing ala Cisse. I guarantee, every player that comes in will be on the say so of Rodgers, they just may not be his first choices.

[Mostar]

So what happens if he's told he's in charge and he takes the job then finds out after a couple of months that things have changed and he isn't.

Only options then are to resign or put up with it.

Time will tell if FSG are right type of owners to take us back where we belong but I don't believe they would use deception and lies to first attract the manager and then strip him from making decisions in the area that is so vital for his success.

That approach would be detrimental and JWH is too savvy investor and businessman to operate like that.

I think Rodgers is the one in charge of bringing and letting go of players but I do believe that FSG does have "value for money" approach where Rodgers is expected to work within established framework (Dempsey case for example).

[DannyMan2006]

Sounds good but will suffer from the same problems that the Arsenal approach did. Our young players who develop into really top players may get fed up of waiting for us to challenge and will decide to leave, just like at Arsenal.

Don't think we have the intention of waiting around as long as Arsenal did. And unlike Arsenal, we will not be intentionally selling of players at peak value, as Rodgers said in that interview you keep mentioning. Arsenal put up for sale the likes of Overmars, Viera, Petit, Pires & Henry. That is something we would not do. The only ones they've tried to keep are RVP and to a lesser extent, Nasri. Obviously, nothing they could have done about Cesc.

[Neil Young]

It's a twisting of words & comments. Rodgers is not, nor has he ever been, under the impression that he gets a set budget and signs who he wants. He tells the board the player he wants and argues the case for signing them. The same way in which Commoli & Dalglish had to argue the case.

Obviously, since that debacle the ship has been tightened a little and better arguments must be put forward. I'm 100% confident FSG would back the signing of an RVP type player if it meant we could target the league. But they won't sanction the signing of decent players like Dempsey who will guarantee nothing but 6th place at best.

We will target young & hungry players for decent size fees but lowish wages and once they have grown together and we are in a position to win things, that's when we'll see the signing of experienced players to fill the last gaps. Think Arsenals plan, but instead of selling their best players, we keep them and add top quality to finish the job.

Think that plan will take a good few years though, which is the difficult part. But we don't have the money to do it the City/Chelsea way.

It's nonsensical to think Rodgers should have complete freedom. I don't suppose it's ever really been that way but if it was then those days are over, everywhere in professional football. Not even Ferguson has complete control.

Every company I deal with or work with have processes for personnel and procurement. No one has carte blanche, everyone is answerable and has to justify their decisions to others. When it doesn't happen is because someone at the top feels above the law (e.g. Fred Goodwin) or because someone has decided to break company policy (ever wondered what happened to the marketing VP who gave £25m a year to Man United?).

The idea football is different is fanciful. These are small businesses on a national scale, let alone globally, but the processes are pretty much universal.

[G]

Time will tell if FSG are right type of owners to take us back where we belong but I don't believe they would use deception and lies to first attract the manager and then strip him from making decisions in the area that is so vital for his success.

That approach would be detrimental and JWH is too savvy investor and businessman to operate like that.

I think Rodgers is the one in charge of bringing and letting go of players but I do believe that FSG does have "value for money" approach where Rodgers is expected to work within established framework (Dempsey case for example).

Well whatever it is there was clearly some crossed lines because he was so adamant at that first press conference and now he's saying something else so who knows what went on in between.