Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Mr Pink]

Since his change of postion in April, We have only lost 1 game in the last 26.

And we were robbed in that one!!

[Doc_Piptorious]

As pointed out in the video Rude Dog shared, even though Trent's numbers dropped, the team's improved massively. How much of this is down to Trent, who knows? But if Trent goes 12 games with no goals/assists and we maintain the form we've shown since he changed position, will it matter? We finished the season in title winning form, would be top now if it wasn't for Spurs decision, have best goal difference in league and best defence. Clearly something is working, even if we aren't machine like, as we have been in the past.

Would love some proper inside analysis on Trent's position, as I can see the argument on both sides and am not smart enough to understand who is right. His form now is similar to last season, more involved going forward, getting goals/assists, but is this purely confidence, or is it instruction? He was definitely much deeper earlier in the season, likewise some games he plays as a more orthodox RB, is this tactical, is it game management, is it player or manager driven? Similarly, in the analysis previously mentioned, they say Trent is now setting the tempo from midfield, is that true, has he been told to do this by Klopp?

Anyway, as long as we're winning, I'm not fussed how he is playing, but keep up current form and chances are we will.

Hard to argue with what you are saying tbf and most of what I am saying about him is also conjecture.


I have my suspicions though that the improvement in our form was as much down, maybe more, to removing certain players from our starting line up as it was down to moving TAA into the more central role.

Our uptick in form last season also coincided with Jones getting a sustained run at LCM during which he put up top notch numbers for pressing, ball retention, tracking back etc., whereas before that whomever we had at LCM (and RCM for that matter) were putting up pathetic numbers statistically along with that being obvious to the eye as well.

This season we have Jones still putting up good underlying defensive numbers when played, we have Szobo putting up great numbers along with him passing the eye test, we have MacAllister putting up damn fine defensive numbers for the sort of stuff that is not eye catching and I think only Rodri was putting up better, and we also have the likes of Gravenberch and Endo doing a lot of good under the radar stuff.

So we have basically removed the underperformers from last season and put in guys that are mobile and that are putting in hard shifts.


My thinking is that now that we have midfielders that are putting up good underlying numbers along with it being obvious when they are watched that they are doing good stuff, that we need TAA to be doing a bit more in terms of his final product.


The de Bruyne comparisons were rampant when TAA was a full time RB and all the talk was that we should move TAA to a more central role as he would do what KdB does.

Well now we have had him in a more central role for a sustained period of time and the past 3 games aside his final product has dropped off a cliff and his chance creation numbers ranges between world class in one game to clogger in the next with little middle ground it seems.


His pass completion numbers per 90 minutes are pretty poor for a deep lying midfielder (which he pretty much is these days) and things like his progressive carry numbers have dropped dramatically since the positional change to the point they have gone from bing in the top third in the league for them to being in the botton third.


He does attempt a lot of attacking/progressive passes (though he always did).



What is a useful stat to look for for guys in his role is the Goals Creation Action stats as it takes into account the actions leading to a goal and not just the final pass before a goal. So things like the pass leading to the assist, a tackle made that sets up a pass or an assist, a foul won that wins the goal scoring free kick or the goal scoring assist from a FK, and so on.

So basically it kind of goes toward measuring both playmaking along with ball winning and foul winning ( Guys like Grealish get their worth in terms of winning game changing fouls measured using it for example and guys like KdB get their playmaking worth evaluated by it when you want to look beyond goal and assist numbers.

If TAA maintains his current form for the rest of the season he is on course for a career low in goal creation actions, his peak seasons for it being, in order of best, being 2019/20, 2018/19 and 2021/22.



Also in defensive terms if we scale up the numbers for the games played so far in the league so that we get a 38 game number, then he is on for career lows for both tackles made and blocks made. In fact right now he is making only a third of the defensive actions per 90 minutes to what he made last season.



Then you look at the numbers this season for someone like Hakimi and you see the sort of numbers that TAA used to put up. He has the same highs that TAA currently has per 90 minutes, but pretty much smashes all the progressive carry and playmaking stats too.



If he helps though I do have our next RB picked out though. Pretty sure I am not getting Hakimi as his off field stuff have turned me off of him despite him being an amazing player, now I want to take the club credit card and go raid Xabi's Leverkusen as there are at least four or five, maybe six, players there that I want us to get.


Frimpong is who I now want for RB and whilst we are over there we can bring in Tapsoba at CB and Hincapie if we want someone quick that can play at LCB along with LB.


Need a new striker to be back up? One that is as chaotic as Nunez but also has a bit of Osiheim to his game? Let's get Boniface.


Then for ****s and giggles let's get Wirtz if we are not getting Musiala, Kvaratskhelia or Adyemi as part of my long term reshape the team once Salah goes strategy.

[RedReet]

Hard to argue with what you are saying tbf and most of what I am saying about him is also conjecture.


I have my suspicions though that the improvement in our form was as much down, maybe more, to removing certain players from our starting line up as it was down to moving TAA into the more central role.

Our uptick in form last season also coincided with Jones getting a sustained run at LCM during which he put up top notch numbers for pressing, ball retention, tracking back etc., whereas before that whomever we had at LCM (and RCM for that matter) were putting up pathetic numbers statistically along with that being obvious to the eye as well.

This season we have Jones still putting up good underlying defensive numbers when played, we have Szobo putting up great numbers along with him passing the eye test, we have MacAllister putting up damn fine defensive numbers for the sort of stuff that is not eye catching and I think only Rodri was putting up better, and we also have the likes of Gravenberch and Endo doing a lot of good under the radar stuff.

So we have basically removed the underperformers from last season and put in guys that are mobile and that are putting in hard shifts.


My thinking is that now that we have midfielders that are putting up good underlying numbers along with it being obvious when they are watched that they are doing good stuff, that we need TAA to be doing a bit more in terms of his final product.


The de Bruyne comparisons were rampant when TAA was a full time RB and all the talk was that we should move TAA to a more central role as he would do what KdB does.

Well now we have had him in a more central role for a sustained period of time and the past 3 games aside his final product has dropped off a cliff and his chance creation numbers ranges between world class in one game to clogger in the next with little middle ground it seems.


His pass completion numbers per 90 minutes are pretty poor for a deep lying midfielder (which he pretty much is these days) and things like his progressive carry numbers have dropped dramatically since the positional change to the point they have gone from bing in the top third in the league for them to being in the botton third.


He does attempt a lot of attacking/progressive passes (though he always did).



What is a useful stat to look for for guys in his role is the Goals Creation Action stats as it takes into account the actions leading to a goal and not just the final pass before a goal. So things like the pass leading to the assist, a tackle made that sets up a pass or an assist, a foul won that wins the goal scoring free kick or the goal scoring assist from a FK, and so on.

So basically it kind of goes toward measuring both playmaking along with ball winning and foul winning ( Guys like Grealish get their worth in terms of winning game changing fouls measured using it for example and guys like KdB get their playmaking worth evaluated by it when you want to look beyond goal and assist numbers.

If TAA maintains his current form for the rest of the season he is on course for a career low in goal creation actions, his peak seasons for it being, in order of best, being 2019/20, 2018/19 and 2021/22.



Also in defensive terms if we scale up the numbers for the games played so far in the league so that we get a 38 game number, then he is on for career lows for both tackles made and blocks made. In fact right now he is making only a third of the defensive actions per 90 minutes to what he made last season.



Then you look at the numbers this season for someone like Hakimi and you see the sort of numbers that TAA used to put up. He has the same highs that TAA currently has per 90 minutes, but pretty much smashes all the progressive carry and playmaking stats too.



If he helps though I do have our next RB picked out though. Pretty sure I am not getting Hakimi as his off field stuff have turned me off of him despite him being an amazing player, now I want to take the club credit card and go raid Xabi's Leverkusen as there are at least four or five, maybe six, players there that I want us to get.


Frimpong is who I now want for RB and whilst we are over there we can bring in Tapsoba at CB and Hincapie if we want someone quick that can play at LCB along with LB.


Need a new striker to be back up? One that is as chaotic as Nunez but also has a bit of Osiheim to his game? Let's get Boniface.


Then for ****s and giggles let's get Wirtz if we are not getting Musiala, Kvaratskhelia or Adyemi as part of my long term reshape the team once Salah goes strategy.

Totally agree, without the personnel changes in midfield, we'd still be having major issues and the return of Jones last year was a big factor.

I think it's dangerous to focus on the stats alone for Trent for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it's not really fair to compare him to an attacking RB who has license to get down the wings and create chances. As you know, when asked to, Trent was peerless at this. Likewise, comparing him to an orthodox midfielder, he's probably going to fall short again as that's not his primary role.

Comparing him to Stones, Cancelo, Zinchenko, other inverted FB's is probably more accurate, but again it's not like for like as they all have different instructions and responsibilities.

Even looking at the defensive stats, is making less tackles etc a bad thing, arguably not? Ask Virg. I'm sure Trent's defensive stats against City were shocking, but anyone who watched the game will know that we was rarely troubled and defended well.

Probably sounds like a bit of a cop-out, can't blame him for **** stats, but I've said in the past, I find full back the hardest position to analyse as so much of what they do is influenced by the manager and what they ask them to do, which we aren't privy to. It's a lot easier for an observer to define the role of a CB, CF, DM etc, but two full backs in different teams can look like they are playing different sports, so it's impossible to compare. Throw in the added complication of a hybrid role and that far too advanced for my pea brain to process.

As for having a conversation about other players, if they aren't getting FPL points, they are dead to me. Haven't had time for European football, or more importantly Football manager in about 12 years, so I am utterly clueless.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Totally agree, without the personnel changes in midfield, we'd still be having major issues and the return of Jones last year was a big factor.

I think it's dangerous to focus on the stats alone for Trent for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it's not really fair to compare him to an attacking RB who has license to get down the wings and create chances. As you know, when asked to, Trent was peerless at this. Likewise, comparing him to an orthodox midfielder, he's probably going to fall short again as that's not his primary role.

Comparing him to Stones, Cancelo, Zinchenko, other inverted FB's is probably more accurate, but again it's not like for like as they all have different instructions and responsibilities.

Even looking at the defensive stats, is making less tackles etc a bad thing, arguably not? Ask Virg. I'm sure Trent's defensive stats against City were shocking, but anyone who watched the game will know that we was rarely troubled and defended well.

Probably sounds like a bit of a cop-out, can't blame him for **** stats, but I've said in the past, I find full back the hardest position to analyse as so much of what they do is influenced by the manager and what they ask them to do, which we aren't privy to. It's a lot easier for an observer to define the role of a CB, CF, DM etc, but two full backs in different teams can look like they are playing different sports, so it's impossible to compare. Throw in the added complication of a hybrid role and that far too advanced for my pea brain to process.

As for having a conversation about other players, if they aren't getting FPL points, they are dead to me. Haven't had time for European football, or more importantly Football manager in about 12 years, so I am utterly clueless.

Again do not disagree with much of what you are saying, however we still have to question what exactly his role is and the function of that role.


If it is a hybrid defensive/play maker role then it is fair to expect a mix of good defensive and creative numbers along with seeing that on the pitch when watching games.


If it is more playmaker than defensive then again think it is fair to expect more by way of accurate progressive passes, more by way of secondary assists, more by way of actual assists and more by way of chance and goal creation actions per game from him.


If he is not a playmaker or defensive player but rather an all rounder midfielder in a free role then I think it would be fair to then judge him against his peers in the team be it Szobo, be it Jones , be it MacAllister etc and as he is a star player it would be fair to expect him to be out performing them.


And if he is meant to be the guy that is the polish to the efforts of the other players. The one that adds that bit of finesse then we are back to looking at what he brings in terms of end product and the creative side of things.


The thing with TAA is that he is meant to be one of our world class players, one of our star names, so the expectations of him should be that little bit higher than for some of the "lesser" lights in the squad.

He, for me, needs to be viewed the way the likes of Salah, Alisson and VVD are viewed as in being in there with the best of the best in their positions. He is treated as being at that level when it comes to his wages, his status within the squad and the adulation from the fans. So I do not think it unreasonable to also expect it in his performances.


Problem is that we don't seem to know what he is anymore. Defender, midfielder, hybrid role? We don't seem to know what to actually expect from him as in what level is the bar set for him and what sort of perfromances or role should he be fulfilling most games (I say most games as every player has off games).

Think at times we now are just expecting less than him in terms of his overall game and are just happy when he plays a nice pass or two in a game and are delighted when he has a run of assists like in recent games, but overlook the fact our playmaker, if that is what he is, does not seem to set the tempo for the team, does not seem to make the centre of the pitch more cohesive and does really stand out in the way one might expect a player touted as being world class (and I myself have called him that) might do.


If we think of some of the play makers we have had in the past. Ones that did not get a lot of goals or assists, they still sttood out as masters of what they did. Thinking of the likes of Alonso. You could see the passing ability, you could see the range of passes, but maybe most importantly you could see the almost unerring accuracy of the passing and how a ball was rarely wasted and rarely given back to the other team.


TAA has the passing range, the guy can pull off wonderful passes, but he does not show a passing accuracy that is any more than average by PL standards so that makes me question again what exactly is his role and what exactly are we meant to judge him on?


He is one of my favourite players at the club but am really struggling him as one of our world class players at present. Good yes, but not world class or anywhere close to that.



Put it this way, if TAA was out for a sustained period of time it would not worry me the way having the likes of Alisson or VVD out for a long time would.


At RB I thought he was irreplaceable for us, the very best attacking RB in the world, however in this hybrid role I think we could carry the loss of him for a sustained period of time without a drop off in results.

[baitman]

It's very telling that konates defensive figures have gone sky high.
Opposition teams are obviously trying to play along our right and get in behind trent. This is adding extra burden to konate and luckily he has been up to the task.
But where is trent while konate is pulling up trees...
Trents lack of defensive support is putting extra pressure on konate, which could easily manifest in an injury. Our centre backs are being dragged around to cover for the lack of full backs who cover their defensive duties.
Gomez at left back seems a poor fit, often giving opposition players a free run.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It's very telling that konates defensive figures have gone sky high.
Opposition teams are obviously trying to play along our right and get in behind trent. This is adding extra burden to konate and luckily he has been up to the task.
But where is trent while konate is pulling up trees...
Trents lack of defensive support is putting extra pressure on konate, which could easily manifest in an injury. Our centre backs are being dragged around to cover for the lack of full backs who cover their defensive duties.
Gomez at left back seems a poor fit, often giving opposition players a free run.

The player that I think suffered the most, both in terms of his game dropping off and in terms of wear and tear, from our new set up is Robertson imo.

He seemed to be having to be the attacking LB and also being the one expected to be sitting deeper so that he could push in as the LCB.

[RedReet]

Again do not disagree with much of what you are saying, however we still have to question what exactly his role is and the function of that role.


If it is a hybrid defensive/play maker role then it is fair to expect a mix of good defensive and creative numbers along with seeing that on the pitch when watching games.


If it is more playmaker than defensive then again think it is fair to expect more by way of accurate progressive passes, more by way of secondary assists, more by way of actual assists and more by way of chance and goal creation actions per game from him.


If he is not a playmaker or defensive player but rather an all rounder midfielder in a free role then I think it would be fair to then judge him against his peers in the team be it Szobo, be it Jones , be it MacAllister etc and as he is a star player it would be fair to expect him to be out performing them.


And if he is meant to be the guy that is the polish to the efforts of the other players. The one that adds that bit of finesse then we are back to looking at what he brings in terms of end product and the creative side of things.


The thing with TAA is that he is meant to be one of our world class players, one of our star names, so the expectations of him should be that little bit higher than for some of the "lesser" lights in the squad.

He, for me, needs to be viewed the way the likes of Salah, Alisson and VVD are viewed as in being in there with the best of the best in their positions. He is treated as being at that level when it comes to his wages, his status within the squad and the adulation from the fans. So I do not think it unreasonable to also expect it in his performances.


Problem is that we don't seem to know what he is anymore. Defender, midfielder, hybrid role? We don't seem to know what to actually expect from him as in what level is the bar set for him and what sort of perfromances or role should he be fulfilling most games (I say most games as every player has off games).

Think at times we now are just expecting less than him in terms of his overall game and are just happy when he plays a nice pass or two in a game and are delighted when he has a run of assists like in recent games, but overlook the fact our playmaker, if that is what he is, does not seem to set the tempo for the team, does not seem to make the centre of the pitch more cohesive and does really stand out in the way one might expect a player touted as being world class (and I myself have called him that) might do.


If we think of some of the play makers we have had in the past. Ones that did not get a lot of goals or assists, they still sttood out as masters of what they did. Thinking of the likes of Alonso. You could see the passing ability, you could see the range of passes, but maybe most importantly you could see the almost unerring accuracy of the passing and how a ball was rarely wasted and rarely given back to the other team.


TAA has the passing range, the guy can pull off wonderful passes, but he does not show a passing accuracy that is any more than average by PL standards so that makes me question again what exactly is his role and what exactly are we meant to judge him on?


He is one of my favourite players at the club but am really struggling him as one of our world class players at present. Good yes, but not world class or anywhere close to that.



Put it this way, if TAA was out for a sustained period of time it would not worry me the way having the likes of Alisson or VVD out for a long time would.


At RB I thought he was irreplaceable for us, the very best attacking RB in the world, however in this hybrid role I think we could carry the loss of him for a sustained period of time without a drop off in results.

As expected, can't argue with much of what you are saying, but found the highlighted bit interesting as in my head, he does play a high proportion of progressive passes, but I'm assuming you've checked the stats and they don't reflect this. In my head, that's the reason his pass completion you mention is low, constantly trying high risk, progressive passes.

When I was cooking my lunch I decided to have a quick look on LFC GO at some of our goals this season, to see if Trent was involved much.

Firstly, I think it was 7 assists and 1 goal in 10 games after the switch last year, which is an excellent return for a player in any position.

Chelsea-No involvement in Diaz goal.

Bournemouth- 3 involvements. Assist the assist for 1st goal. Releases Szobo who wins pen for 2nd. 3rd, plays a nice cushioned volley to set up a strike from Szobo, we score from rebound.

Newcastle- Starts the move for the equaliser by playing an arrowed 40 yard pass along the floor from RCB position to Salah, who's just inside Newcastle half, taking out about 5 players.

Villa-I keep referencing this match as I thought Trent was immense in it and it was a great team performance. What I didn't perhaps realise was how involved he had been in all games from Arsenal last year until this point when he got injured. He created 5 chances in this, including assist for the first. The 2nd goal is a prime example of what I suspect you want Trent to do in this role. He's in his inside-right midfield position, plays a few short passes back and forth, slows tempo down completely, then bang, Trent speciality lovely long ball over top to release Salah who crosses for the goal.

Brighton, Everton, Forest, Luton- Back from injury, nothing of note.

Brentford- Mentioned this at the time, another good example of what Trent adds in this position as he picks the ball up in midfield, punches it forward (Xabi style actually) taking out 5 or 6 players, Nunes receives on edge of the box and tees up Mo.

City, Fulham, Sheff Utd- Couldn't be arsed checking if he's involved in any build ups, 2G/2A will suffice.

I'm sure this has bored the tits off everyone else, but I'm quite glad I've did it as it's made me appreciate Trent's contributions a bit more and will be something I take note of in future games.

[baitman]

Maybe have a look at when konate is defending and have a look at trents position.
Is he chasing back and making a valid contribution or is he just lurking in midfield waiting to distribute another Hollywood pass

[RedReet]

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I didn't realise just how good Konate is, in his last 6 games we have an aggregate score of 14-1. What a player.

If Matip is going to be out long term, we'll need to do something about this, can't keep going on winning all these games so comfortably.

[Doc_Piptorious]

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I didn't realise just how good Konate is, in his last 6 games we have an aggregate score of 14-1. What a player.

If Matip is going to be out long term, we'll need to do something about this, can't keep going on winning all these games so comfortably.

Konate is a brilliant defender. Problem is that in the six seasons prior to this one he has only managed to play in a part in more than 20 league games once.


His 18 league games (starter and sub appearances combined) from last season is his second highest tally of league games in a single season.


Had convinced myself that after we got him that his injury issues at Leipzig were a mix of knock based injuiries and the sort of growing injuries some players get when young.


Now I am starting to believe he is another Ledley King. Brilliant when fit but made out of digestive biscuits.

[Doc_Piptorious]

As expected, can't argue with much of what you are saying, but found the highlighted bit interesting as in my head, he does play a high proportion of progressive passes, but I'm assuming you've checked the stats and they don't reflect this. In my head, that's the reason his pass completion you mention is low, constantly trying high risk, progressive passes.

When I was cooking my lunch I decided to have a quick look on LFC GO at some of our goals this season, to see if Trent was involved much.

Firstly, I think it was 7 assists and 1 goal in 10 games after the switch last year, which is an excellent return for a player in any position.

Chelsea-No involvement in Diaz goal.

Bournemouth- 3 involvements. Assist the assist for 1st goal. Releases Szobo who wins pen for 2nd. 3rd, plays a nice cushioned volley to set up a strike from Szobo, we score from rebound.

Newcastle- Starts the move for the equaliser by playing an arrowed 40 yard pass along the floor from RCB position to Salah, who's just inside Newcastle half, taking out about 5 players.

Villa-I keep referencing this match as I thought Trent was immense in it and it was a great team performance. What I didn't perhaps realise was how involved he had been in all games from Arsenal last year until this point when he got injured. He created 5 chances in this, including assist for the first. The 2nd goal is a prime example of what I suspect you want Trent to do in this role. He's in his inside-right midfield position, plays a few short passes back and forth, slows tempo down completely, then bang, Trent speciality lovely long ball over top to release Salah who crosses for the goal.

Brighton, Everton, Forest, Luton- Back from injury, nothing of note.

Brentford- Mentioned this at the time, another good example of what Trent adds in this position as he picks the ball up in midfield, punches it forward (Xabi style actually) taking out 5 or 6 players, Nunes receives on edge of the box and tees up Mo.

City, Fulham, Sheff Utd- Couldn't be arsed checking if he's involved in any build ups, 2G/2A will suffice.

I'm sure this has bored the tits off everyone else, but I'm quite glad I've did it as it's made me appreciate Trent's contributions a bit more and will be something I take note of in future games.

Not going to pick at the post as would be a mix or both repeating some of what I said along with again agreeing with much of what you said.


But thanks for the reply and the time taken to find the involvements you found. Found it an interesting read

[RedReet]

Konate is a brilliant defender. Problem is that in the six seasons prior to this one he has only managed to play in a part in more than 20 league games once.


His 18 league games (starter and sub appearances combined) from last season is his second highest tally of league games in a single season.


Had convinced myself that after we got him that his injury issues at Leipzig were a mix of knock based injuiries and the sort of growing injuries some players get when young.


Now I am starting to believe he is another Ledley King. Brilliant when fit but made out of digestive biscuits.

All true, but my poorly worded post was a bit of a piss take about how we are struggling with Konate and Trent.

Only conceded 3 goals all season with them as it happens.

Not going to pick at the post as would be a mix or both repeating some of what I said along with again agreeing with much of what you said.


But thanks for the reply and the time taken to find the involvements you found. Found it an interesting read

[Doc_Piptorious]

All true, but my poorly worded post was a bit of a piss take about how we are struggling with Konate and Trent.

Only conceded 3 goals all season with them as it happens.

More a case of me having some work stuff eating into my attention right now and curtailing my ability to post a more tome like reply


But as said I enjoy your replies as they are well thought out and offer an interesting pov on the player.


Think an arguement could be made that we are both touching on valid points about TAA at present and that he is doing (or not doing ) some of what I said but at the same time doing exactly what you pointed out he is doing.

[RedReet]

Aye, as I said at the start, I look at both sides of the argument and can agree with both.

Yourself and Nev, plus plenty of others make valid points about the struggles Trent has, how teams can exploit this formation easily and I nod along agreeing with everything. Then I look at our results, see us top of the table and think WTF.

It reminds me of years ago, arguing about a player, someone says he's ****, so I respond and spend ages researching and providing evidence to support that he's not. They counter with 'nah, he's still ****'.

Loads of good points made about this formation, comparisons with City, loads of thought put into it. Best reply I have is, 'aye, but we still won'.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Aye, as I said at the start, I look at both sides of the argument and can agree with both.

Yourself and Nev, plus plenty of others make valid points about the struggles Trent has, how teams can exploit this formation easily and I nod along agreeing with everything. Then I look at our results, see us top of the table and think WTF.

It reminds me of years ago, arguing about a player, someone says he's ****, so I respond and spend ages researching and providing evidence to support that he's not. They counter with 'nah, he's still ****'.

Loads of good points made about this formation, comparisons with City, loads of thought put into it. Best reply I have is, 'aye, but we still won'.

To be fair if you get to say that enough times this season, we will all be over the moon no matter what reservations we have about a player or set up.



Would not be name checking Nev though. He's a bad 'un. Drinks Lyons tea most of the time.