Andy Carroll - Best Striker in the World

[Mattshark]

No I understand it, I just think its a **** argument

Did the lad play well for Newcastle yes he did. There is no reason why he cant hit that level again hes shown hes capable of doing it, if he wasnt he wouldnt have been able to do it in the first place

Its more than scouted though Rafa actually said he was an intended target for the club, he was also subject of a couple of bids from Premier League clubs before he kicked off his first Premier League campaign and again in the early part of January Newcastle knocked back bids from Spurs for the lad

So its not just scouting there was intent behind that

You're welcome to think that, however, untill he shows otherwise, it to me is an anomalie.
Your response did indicate a misunderstanding however. It suggests that you are arguing that half a good season in the prem is evidence that his half a good season in the prem wasn't anomalous.

Again, that proves nothing, as I have said, many players have been in that position and not gone on do to anything of note. But if you want to balance that, Newcastle were previously trying to offload him for a £1m (yes it is also proves nothing).

[Mostar]

The argument put forward by cream was he (Carroll) was bought to score goals which he hasnt done

So was Suarez and he hasnt scored enough goals

You cant criticise Carroll for not scoring enough then excuse Suarez for the same thing because of his all round play

IF Carrolls failing is not scoring enough goals then so is Suarez's who has clearly had many more minutes on the pitch than Carroll this season

For me of the two Suarez is more of a goalscorer (look at his record) and in those terms hes probably massively underperforming even more than Carroll

As for judging a player based on 6 months, those 6 months at least show what the lad is capable of reaching, playing at his best

Imo there is no point comparing/criticizing those 2 in terms of goal production in any way coz Suarez style of play is always producing something for the team and his contribution is enormous.

Even when he doesn't score he is almost always MOTM and that says a lot.

Anything good that comes from our offense involves Suarez one way or another and that cannot be overlooked even if his scoring record is not the greatest.

Carroll, on the other hand, is a striker that cannot create for himself and he is incapable of contributing in any way to the team except in terms of scoring and his failing to do so regularly means that he is not deserving to be in starting 11 atm.

[Neil Young]

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[Lecter]

Imo there is no point comparing/criticizing those 2 in terms of goal production in any way coz Suarez style of play is always producing something for the team and his contribution is enormous.

Even when he doesn't score he is almost always MOTM and that says a lot.

Anything good that comes from our offense involves Suarez one way or another and that cannot be overlooked even if his scoring record is not the greatest.

Carroll, on the other hand, is a striker that cannot create for himself and he is incapable of contribution in any way to the team except in terms of scoring and his failing to do so regularly means that he is not deserving to be in starting 11 atm.

I never said Suarez didnt contribute

The argument was Carroll was bought to score goals

I'd refute that (his stats in those terms speak for themselves)

I would however say Suarez was bought to score goals (which he hasnt done)

Yes Suarez has contributed more in terms of play but its ****ing horse**** to criticise Carroll solely on the basis of not scoring without applying the same to Suarez

[sssiho]

I still have'nt made up my mind about him, its far too early yet, but when he pulls on the red shirt I will support him. As Kenny said, he's been signed for the long term.
At this moment i don't see him as the perfect partner for Saurez, i think Kenny will have to go out and get a proven fox in the box (i have no ideas who) for this.
Maybe Carroll will be our plan B, when we need a battering ram, throw him on and bombard the penalty area with crosses.

[DKdan]

I would be sad if we sold or loaned him out in January. I think he has a huge part to play for us this season.

The biggest problem is that we live in an impatient era. We wan't results and we want them now. If anyone else than Kenny had managed us this season there would be calls for his head.

I don't think Commoli, Kenny or Carroll are flawless, but when I watch a game I try to look after what the foundations of the team are, and if there are signs that we are creating chances.

When we had a poor run under Rafa he said that he wasn't worried because we created chances, controlled the game, and were solid at the back. I hated when I said that and often thought: "If we controlled the game how come we failed to win???".

But IMO Rafa knew what he was talking about. Patience! Patience! Patience! Don't chop and change when things are about to click.

IMO there have been huge improvements in the team this season. Johnson plays better (even for his fault in Fulham), the central defense is better. Lucas was fcukin brilliant. Adam is improving. Hendo is improving. Downing is improving and so is Carroll.

I think there are alot of improvements in Carrolls game - unfortunatly his confidence and his luck hasn't. It has written Crouch all over it.

I will go so far as promising if he starts against QPR he will score - and you may all quote me on it after the game if he doesn't!

[Roboklopp]

I guess we are more impatient nowadays cos we have dropped out of the CL for a few years.

[Mostar]

I never said Suarez didnt contribute

The argument was Carroll was bought to score goals

I'd refute that (his stats in those terms speak for themselves)

I would however say Suarez was bought to score goals (which he hasnt done)

Yes Suarez has contributed more in terms of play but its ****ing horse**** to criticise Carroll solely on the basis of not scoring without applying the same to Suarez

I see where you're coming from but Luis is the prime example of a player where looking solely as stats doesn't do him justice coz they don't show not even close the impact he has on the team.

My point is that there is so much more to his game than scoring and even with his "poor" goal scoring record he's arguably one of the top 2,3 players in PL.

Andy, on the other hand, contributes almost nothing to the team unless he bangs few and without that offensive production there isn't much positive to say about his game.

[Lecter]

I see where you're coming from but Luis is the prime example of a player where looking solely as stats doesn't do him justice coz they don't show not even close the impact he has on the team.

My point is that there is so much more to his game than scoring and even with his "poor" goal scoring record he's arguably one of the top 2,3 players in PL.

Andy, on the other hand, contributes almost nothing to the team unless he bangs few and without that offensive production there isn't much positive to say about his game.

As I said criticise Carroll all you want for his overall contribution but lets not just single out lack of goals without also applying it to Suarez

As for Suarez being one of the best in the league I think despite his quality his lack of goals will affect any judgement of him and rightly so imo

[danperkins]

I see where you're coming from but Luis is the prime example of a player where looking solely as stats doesn't do him justice coz they don't show not even close the impact he has on the team.

My point is that there is so much more to his game than scoring and even with his "poor" goal scoring record he's arguably one of the top 2,3 players in PL.

Andy, on the other hand, contributes almost nothing to the team unless he bangs few and without that offensive production there isn't much positive to say about his game.

fair points

[truefan999]

Really yes

Seriously you think the club bought him to rely on him banging the goals in??

If you do then I worry about your knowledge of the game

The lad didnt have a track-record as a goalscorer (unlike Suarez)

Bearing in mind that Comolli is backing every transfer up based on stats

The lad scored 1 in 11 whilst on loan at Preston and 31 in 80 for Newcastle

He scored 4 in 19 for LFC

Now hes already scored more goals in those 19 games than Peter Crouch did in his first 19 games for LFC. I'd compare them to players in terms of type of player - Crouch wasnt bought to be a goalscorer either

WTF?

Yeah you see that out and out striker we bought for £35m well we didn't buy him expecting goals. Ohhhh no.

What the hell do you think we bought him for then? To save some of the struggling alehouses of Liverpool?

This getting beyond silly.

Add this to the big list of silly justifications for Andy Carroll

[Bender]

ultimately a striker is all about scoring goals and as bad as carroll is suarez is also being very in effective ............. don't go for bad luck about hitting the woodwork......... but thing is if we string together a good 10/15 run of games without defeat then this season might be a good one

[Slinky Skills]

His play has been that bad.

His injury is no excuse for this season.

rotation is a part of football.

None of this explains his lack of technique nor his poor movement.

I agree that his play has been bad and also rotation is part and parcel of the modern day game however, he's not been given a fair crack of the whip really, I'm sure you'll agree.

Suarez never gets dropped so if Carroll was playing as much as Suarez then we'd see better from him perhaps?

I know Suarez technically offers more and we all know that he's a more gifted footballer and won't lose his place but Carroll needs a better consistent run in the team and he is not getting it.

I'm confident if this was the case we would see a more powerful attacking threat who would be burying chances.

[little dave hedgehog]

as far as poulsen goes, there is a world of distance between criticizing a midfielder who's captain of his national team with bags of experience from all the other top leagues in europe who came here and never looked any less ****, and criticizing 22 year old andy caroll, and that's without even gettining into who made the purchases.

[Gibbo]

A young boy is eagerly knocking on Kenny Dalglish's door and begins to sing Away In A Manger, when there is no response he knocks again and breaks into We Wish You A Merry Christmas, after no response the boy decides to have one more go, banging as hard as he can on the door, he then takes a deep breath, and is about to burst into Rockin' around the Christmas tree when Kenny opens the door looking very angry, he crouches down in front of the kid and shouts

Will you **** off, I've already wasted enough money on Carrolls this year.

Sorry. .