Owen again... do not read if you hate Owen!!

[Red Chilli]

Do you honestly believe we would have sold Owen for a meagre £8 million if there was any chance of him signing a new contract?

Next you'll be saying he was forced out against his wishes.

And he joined Newcastle against his wishes because Moores wouldn't give Rafa the money to sign Owen.

[REDSCOUSER]

HOOZ is AFII..FACT..with slightly better spelling

[CJ]

HOOZ

with great respect you are talking ****e. I admint there is a case to say that as we didnt worship him like we did god it made him feel unwanted but i suppose its chicken and egg

Simple facts are

he let his contract run down and left. benitez didnt get rid of him at all.

HE chose not to come back when he had the chance and went to newcastle

thats why i dont like him. i have great respect for what he did for us. probably more than Robbie did. But i love Robbie (no gay revalations Please lol ) as he did it for us. (as much as any modern day player does it for the fans)

Owen at 9M is not a bargain. you keep saying if he stays injury free. he wont. he has never been injury free. its not like he has had a couple of little injuries or one big one. he has had loads of injurires.

Also owen takes a fair few games to get back to full form. not sure with Benitez rotation that he will get that chance. or you have to pick owen when he is fit and roatate the others around that

Lets face it Owen isnt a good deal. and its got nothing to do with his ability its becasue he cant stay fit. is it his fault no but its fact

[Alpha]

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I agree with most of that.

The only thing that makes me laugh is the people on the internet forums who know exactly what went on between LFC and Owen.

The only FACT in all of this is that no one on here knows about the trnasfer sagas apart from Owen, his advisors and the hierarchy of the club.

Now if any of the posters on here come from those groups then I'll accept your greater knowledge on the subject but to those who aren't please stop posting your spurious opinions as fact.

Yes you don't like Owen, we get that, in spades, but coming up with half truths and then adding your own bits is the practice of a shoody newspaper we all love to hate.

Good point actually.

It is important that we stick to the facts here.

Here are a couple:

2004 - Owen leaves Liverpool for £8 million (+ Nunez).
2005 - Owen leaves Real Madrid for £16 million.

Go figure.

[Assassin]

Nonsense Hooz. Owen had 10 months left on his contract. Rafa had no choice but to accept Real's moeny.

People have short memories. Owen is a little ****er...he said on numerous occassions that he'd sign a new contract and Dumb and Dumber (Parry and GH) fell for it hook line and sinker. Because of their collective naiveity we ended up getting fleeced and fooled by Owen who clearly never had any intention of signing a new contract.

I would like to add a little more to this. Owen would have been off earlier if his wife hadnt of had the serious injury when falling of her horse. She was on record as saying she wanted to be close to her family during her rehabilitation. Owen played the game with us until she was healthy again and his contract had almost run down. Rafa came in with a fresh set of eyes, sussed Owen agenda straight away and shipped him out for a decent amount considering he had less than a year on his contract left. Respect to Rafa for looking after the clubs interests

[desertscouser]

I would like to add a little more to this. Owen would have been off earlier if his wife hadnt of had the serious injury when falling of her horse. She was on record as saying she wanted to be close to her family during her rehabilitation. Owen played the game with us until she was healthy again and his contract had almost run down. Rafa came in with a fresh set of eyes, sussed Owen agenda straight away and shipped him out for a decent amount considering he had less than a year on his contract left. Respect to Rafa for looking after the clubs interests

[Hooz]

I'm not saying he was entirely forced out, he was happy to sign for Madrid. But the way you lot are going on like he's some scheming, evil ******* that wants to **** the club over, and that Benitez was forced to get rid is utter ****e.

Benitez had just as big a part to play in it as Owen did, possibly even more so.

If Benitez had really wanted Owen to stay, then he would have.

[Alpha]

I'm not saying he was entirely forced out, he was happy to sign for Madrid. But the way you lot are going on like he's some scheming, evil ******* that wants to **** the club over

That's exactly what Owen is and that's exactly why Benitez got rid while he could still get a fee for him.

[Red Chilli]

I'm not saying he was entirely forced out, he was happy to sign for Madrid. But the way you lot are going on like he's some scheming, evil ******* that wants to **** the club over, and that Benitez was forced to get rid is utter ****e.

Benitez had just as big a part to play in it as Owen did, possibly even more so.
If Benitez had really wanted Owen to stay, then he would have.

FFS Are you going to justify that statement I've bolded?

He wasn't forced out at all, he had over a year to sign the contract that was offered to him but every time we heard some lame excuse like his agent was on a sabatical cottaging in Wales or some **** like that.
The contract had been on the table for Owen over a year before Rafa came in so how can Rafa be blamed for Owen's failure to sign?

[Assassin]

I'm not saying he was entirely forced out, he was happy to sign for Madrid. But the way you lot are going on like he's some scheming, evil ******* that wants to **** the club over, and that Benitez was forced to get rid is utter ****e.

Benitez had just as big a part to play in it as Owen did, possibly even more so.

If Benitez had really wanted Owen to stay, then he would have.

The only team Owen wont **** over is England...........end of story. Oh how I laughed when he got injured in the World cup. Great news alround, because a I had a bet the equivalent of £830 with a mate that Crouch would score more than Owen would in the competition

[Hooz]

HE chose not to come back when he had the chance and went to newcastle

Do you really think he'd rather have gone to Newcastle than us?

He went there because Benitez was refusing to meet Madrid's asking price (which is admirable in its principle), and as soon as Newcastle weighed in Madrid were only going to accept equivalent bids.

With Benitez refusing to match it, coming back was never a realistic option. He wanted games so he could be fit for the World Cup. He wasn't going to get them at Real, so he had the choice of accepting Newcastle's offer, or testing Madrid's resolve and holding out for either an increased Liverpool bid or Madrid caving in. It was high ****ing stakes for him.

England will always be Owen's priority, which I don't agree with, but can accept. If he'd have turned Newcastle down, there was a big risk that Madrid would hang on to him and he would not be fit for the World Cup.

I didn't like his decision, but it is understandable.

[Spionkop69]

You're a bit out of order with that statement comparing our fans to that newspaper.
Are you going to provide examples of these "half truths" then?

Ah, pull the controversial part of my post and ignore the rest. As for showing you the half truths, you'e an intelligent bloke, surely you can see them. They're usually from the people who's objectivity is blinded by the runt/midget or whatever other phrase is popular for describing him at the moment.

[Red Chilli]

Do you really think he'd rather have gone to Newcastle than us?

He went there because Benitez was refusing to meet Madrid's asking price (which is admirable in its principle), and as soon as Newcastle weighed in Madrid were only going to accept equivalent bids.

With Benitez refusing to match it, coming back was never a realistic option. He wanted games so he could be fit for the World Cup. He wasn't going to get them at Real, so he had the choice of accepting Newcastle's offer, or testing Madrid's resolve and holding out for either an increased Liverpool bid or Madrid caving in. It was high ****ing stakes for him.

England will always be Owen's priority, which I don't agree with, but can accept. If he'd have turned Newcastle down, there was a big risk that Madrid would hang on to him and he would not be fit for the World Cup.

I didn't like his decision, but it is understandable.

Presumably someone "had a gun to his head" then

[Alpha]

I didn't like his decision, but it is understandable.

You are right, it is understandable.

Owen is welcome to put club before country.

As long as his club is not Liverpool.

Which is also understandable, I reckon.

[Spionkop69]

I would like to add a little more to this. Owen would have been off earlier if his wife hadnt of had the serious injury when falling of her horse. She was on record as saying she wanted to be close to her family during her rehabilitation. Owen played the game with us until she was healthy again and his contract had almost run down. Rafa came in with a fresh set of eyes, sussed Owen agenda straight away and shipped him out for a decent amount considering he had less than a year on his contract left. Respect to Rafa for looking after the clubs interests

All in your humble opinion of course? Oh and are you actually admitting that you think Rafa shipped him out?

And excuse the sarcasm, but which part of transfer and contract discussions were you involved in?