Owen again... do not read if you hate Owen!!

[Kopite_Colin]

Hooz

not sure if you are a WUM but you have shown his lack of loyalty in your argument. England is what was important. He didnt have to say yes to Newcastle did he. IF he sat tight and said i want to go liverpool then Madrid would have come to a deal with liverpool.

Not so. They didn't need to sell a successful player for a cut-price, and we didn't offer the asking price. He could have stayed in the Madrid ressies all year in a WC year. There was no guarantee that him "sitting tight" was going to yield the result so many on here think "was bound to happen".

Then to top it, a club came in with the asking price and a stupid offer (including escape clause) that he couldn't turn down, given he had no guarantees from LFC.

[Spionkop69]

Hooz

not sure if you are a WUM but you have shown his lack of loyalty in your argument. England is what was important. He didnt have to say yes to Newcastle did he. IF he sat tight and said i want to go liverpool then Madrid would have come to a deal with liverpool.

Ah so now he's a WUM because his opinion is different to yours. Now I don't agree with your opinions, does that make you a WUM too?

[Red Chilli]

One Michael Owen, there's only one Michael Owen.

[Kopite_Colin]

More to the point, why would we have to sell Owen for any less than we should?

True - but you have to ask the LFC managment why that was allowed to happen. It wasn't a case of less than we should - that was his market value given the circumstances. Poor decision-making all round (including Owen).

But you have to remember we were going nowhere under GH - why should he sign a new contract with no evidence that the senior managment at LFC were going to do anything? My only gripe is that he never seemed to give Rafa a chance.

[Spionkop69]

Mr Spionkop

his talking ****e is not due to the fact that is a different point of view to mine

having a different view is ok

what is ****e is his blind loyalty to ST mike. look at how he left. listen to him talk about whats important to him.

he did very well for this club and should be respected for that. however how he left and subsequent move to Newcastle show what he is like.

it amazes me how this cant be seen

Again all in your opinion. Its funny how the anti-Owen crowd tend to be more abusive towards the pro-Owen people. Why is that? The hatred of Owen spilling over towards those that disagree?

Sometimes its got a "did you spill my pint" mentality when discussing footie. To counter your "what is ****e is his blind loyalty to ST mike" point, I could say that you're talking ****e because your judgement is blinded by a lack of objectivity on Owen. But that would be silly as you are entitled to your opinion.

[CJ]

Spion kop

Its not becasue he doesnt agree with me though i have already stated that.

He ran down his contract and pissed off on the cheap.

yet he is a saint.


Well no he is a saint for what he did on the field. but he deserves what ever his career doesnt deliver.

[Hooz]

Hooz

not sure if you are a WUM but you have shown his lack of loyalty in your argument. England is what was important. He didnt have to say yes to Newcastle did he. IF he sat tight and said i want to go liverpool then Madrid would have come to a deal with liverpool

I haven't said anything about lack of loyalty. I referred to him priortitising England over his club. I don't agree with that, but you see it all the time in professional football. Obviously I'd prefer him to have the same attitude as Carragher, but again, it's not as if he was trying to **** the club over out of spite.

The bit about him sitting tight is incredibly naive given the circumstances he faced.

[Red Chilli]

Again all in your opinion. Its funny how the anti-Owen crowd tend to be more abusive towards the pro-Owen people. Why is that? The hatred of Owen spilling over towards those that disagree?
Sometimes its got a "did you spill my pint" mentality when discussing footie. To counter your "what is ****e is his blind loyalty to ST mike" point, I could say that you're talking ****e because your judgement is blinded by a lack of objectivity on Owen. But that would be silly as you are entitled to your opinion.

Generalising a bit there aren't you?

[Alpha]

Not so. They didn't need to sell a successful player for a cut-price, and we didn't offer the asking price. He could have stayed in the Madrid ressies all year in a WC year. There was no guarantee that him "sitting tight" was going to yield the result so many on here think "was bound to happen".

Then to top it, a club came in with the asking price and a stupid offer (including escape clause) that he couldn't turn down, given he had no guarantees from LFC.

As a non-Liverpool player, I don't blame Owen for opting for Newcastle.

By that time, his cards were on the table and his priorities were clear.

But I do blame him for the situation that led to his departure a year earlier and I blame Houllier and Parry too, for that matter.

But at least they were acting in the best interests of Liverpool.

Michael Owen was acting in the best interests of Michael Owen, as always.

[Spionkop69]

Generalising a bit there aren't you?

Ignore the rest of the post again. Re-read the thread and see where the abuse comes from - generally or not.

[Alpha]

True - but you have to ask the LFC managment why that was allowed to happen. It wasn't a case of less than we should - that was his market value given the circumstances. Poor decision-making all round (including Owen).

But you have to remember we were going nowhere under GH - why should he sign a new contract with no evidence that the senior managment at LFC were going to do anything? My only gripe is that he never seemed to give Rafa a chance.

GH and RP were acting in the best interests of Liverpool.

Michael Owen was acting in the best interests of Michael Owen.

The reason why Gerrard never left in similar acrimony was because ulitmately, all involved wanted the same thing.

[CJ]

Spionkop

i think i am being fairly objective

I thank him for his service to the club(which you seem to ignore in your replies to me) and the trophies he played a huge part in winning.

I then look at the facts where he kept saying he was about to sign a new contract over a rather long period.

for my career i am an analyst so I tend to be fairly objective and spot patterns.

[Kopite_Colin]

But at least they were acting in the best interests of Liverpool..

Not sure I understand this statement, mate, can you elaborate please

Michael Owen was acting in the best interests of Michael Owen, as always.

As you would expect - he had a young family to look after and a future to think about. in his shoes at RM, I'd do the same, if I had no signal from LFC that they were prepared to pay the market rate.

[Hooz]

Mr Spionkop

his talking ****e is not due to the fact that is a different point of view to mine

having a different view is ok

what is ****e is his blind loyalty to ST mike. look at how he left. listen to him talk about whats important to him.

he did very well for this club and should be respected for that. however how he left and subsequent move to Newcastle show what he is like.

it amazes me how this cant be seen

I am not blindly loyal to Owen. What I've said is my interpretation of the facts available. The way you read it is that Benitez's hand was forced, that doesn't make you blindly loyal, it means you have an opinion.

[CJ]

Also Hooz Owen was not ****ing the club over out of spite. He was acting in his own interests but knew it was ****ing the club over.

and i dont think it is niaive for him to control a transfer situation as he did it to us. i think he could have pushed more.