Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Kenneth]

It's the same 'body' though, the same authority. Not the same individuals perhaps, but the same set of rules, regulations and disciplinary procedures.

The individuals involved shouldnt make a jot of difference.

Sure, so there may be grounds for complaining about the charge being brought, or rather other charges not being in the past (probably a little late after the event by now) but that's separate to the hearing of Suarez who was clearly guilty of a charge and found to be so, picture or no picture.

[Exiled_red]

It's only fair if everyone is treated the same.

True, I guess it has to start somewhere though, a number of the incidents mentioned were a while ago. Someone mentioned Carr(?) at the end last season getting a similar ban if you take that as the start point anyone then should get the same punishment. As long as everyone is treated the same from that point on I don't think we can complain. If however this is like another Mascherano and the respect campaign we will have cause for complaint. I suspect that given a number of run ins with the FA if someone else does the same thing and doesn't get a ban I wouldn't be surprised if we made an issue of it.

[Exiled_red]

It's the same 'body' though, the same authority. Not the same individuals perhaps, but the same set of rules, regulations and disciplinary procedures.

The individuals involved shouldnt make a jot of difference.

[G]

Two entirely different cases with Rooney. He got suspended for VERBALLY swearing, after having gone right upto the camera lense, during a live match.

He also made a middle finger gesture (on a different occasion) to fans, and didnt get charged or banned for it.

Same also applies for Gary Neville and Ashley Cole. Along with Rooney, all aimed either 2 finger or middle finger gestures at fans, and all got away with no punishment.

Neville's was aimed at Tevez.

Anyway over on the rattle Tony Barrett has said the FA claimed Suarez was charged cos he aimed the finger at the fans whereas the others mentioned didn't.

Even for the FA that's a bit mad since its quite clear they all, bar Neville, did aim it at fans. Beckham did it too at England fans a few years ago. There's a pic of that around too

[Craig_H]

Neville's was aimed at Tevez.

Anyway over on the rattle Tony Barrett has said the FA claimed Suarez was charged cos he aimed the finger at the fans whereas the others mentioned didn't.

Even for the FA that's a bit mad since its quite clear they all, bar Neville, did aim it at fans. Beckham did it too at England fans a few years ago. There's a pic of that around too

What a load of utter bollocks that is.

[Exiled_red]

Neville's was aimed at Tevez.

Anyway over on the rattle Tony Barrett has said the FA claimed Suarez was charged cos he aimed the finger at the fans whereas the others mentioned didn't.

Even for the FA that's a bit mad since its quite clear they all, bar Neville, did aim it at fans. Beckham did it too at England fans a few years ago. There's a pic of that around too

That is crazy only the FA could come up with that.

Why would that not be deemed offensive behaviour if done to another player?

[Rabiosa]

I don't think i've hated anything as much as i hate the FA since i started to hate United, honestly such a disgusting organization, i ****ing depise those manc loving cunts, they are targetting us, and every single little thing we do, they will try and punish us, yet if its United they can get away with murder, i honestly hope England get smashed in every single game at the Euro's and get knocked out in the group stages, ****ing corrupt ******s.

[Mostar]

That is crazy only the FA could come up with that.

Why would that not be deemed offensive behaviour if done to another player?

Only thing they are consistant with is that they are inconsistant

[BillobShaisley]

Hmm, I disagree. The diminutive and the reference to race together make for a racist meaning.

I think we need to respect Evra's right to hear the word within his cultural sensitivities too. That's what I've been saying for weeks.

To be really pedantic, or accurate i'd say he used a diminutive with reference to colour rather than race. From a Urugauyan culture or even geneticists persepctive colour and race are not linked. It is very much a new world construct to associate the use of descriptive colour terms as inherantly racist.

I then question whether Evra actually heard what was said or misheard it? Then if he did hear it, did he know or assume what it meant?

[BillobShaisley]

Was the translation literally 'little black man'? Surely that's just an accurate description of his physical appearance.

I do agree though that just because it's ok in Uruguay doesn't mean it's ok in England. I'm not sure that their society has developed in the correct direction as, although the lack of racism (or more correctly, lack of discrimination) is great, the use of colour as a tag is still backward

They may well argue (rightly IMO opinion) that our inability to progress from that blanket assumption is backward. Are we to infer then that covert descrimination without any colour tags is a more or less advanced state of multi-cultural relations?

[Chris]

Astonishing stuff. The football association is completely rotten.

[Vermilion]

Suarez is no angel and has been guilty of some stupid behaviour, at Liverpool and Ajax. We can't pretend he is always innocent.

Yes, it's true, but tbh i don't really see anyone implying he's anything like an angel, but that's not really the point though is it, all we're asking, is that when he's had one of his more un-angelic episodes, he's treated fairly and consistently.

[Rafa Justice]

Forget Terry getting an 8 game ban. If Suarez gets 8 for Negrito, Terry should be banned for life.


And so should his kids.

[badpiggy]

By Tony Evans in today's times

Problem with Tony's article is that Evra is a fluent Spanish speaker. Fluent enough to know how to insult Suarez in Spanish.

Presumably being fluent in Spanish he would know the meaning of the word "negrito"

I think Evans is being pretty accurate in fairness. It really is a bit ridiculous all of us pretending to be linguistic sociologists specialising in slang and colloquialisms in U-are-gay.

Although I agree with JDR's comment too - except that being fluent in Spanish doesn't mean you're fluent in the nuances of Spanish spoken in South America.

I wonder what would happen if Suarez had called, say, Yossi Benayoun "Little Jew"? He wouldn't do that though knowing that Yossi would have rudely pushed him out of the way before hiring Mossad to kill him and make it look like death by sexual misadventure. Luis probably thought he was on safe enough ground with the Frenchman Evra and assumed he would have retreated and pelted him with a few token garlic bulbs before finally collaborating with the Uruguyan army.

Anyway, I'm off to drunkenly rape a few altar boys bejaysus.

[Red_Polo]

I think there is a difference between what a player says in a media interview abroad and the official stance of the clubs. There have been no formal accusations made against Evra so from the manc's perspective, it is pretty straight forward. In hindsight, an olive branch and a little contrition from LFC could have taken a lot of the heat from the situation imo, irrespective of Evra being mouthy.

I guess we're bound to feel differently as I think Evans is pretty much right in his assessment of the accusation itself. (very much in a minority here I know)

Where does any of that really disagree with what I've said? Evans piece had one valid sentiment buried amidst a pile of contrarian flimflam. No balance in the article (nor much regard for the laws of logic), but then it 'reads better' if it's taking a side, doesn't it?