Kenny isn't what we need

[Gibbo]

Based on his numerous league titles then. Rafa's record in England doesn't even come close tbh.

They were in completely different time frames, I still think Rafa winning the Champions League with the squad he had was one of the best achievements a manager has every achieved for this club.

[CJ]

Believing Kenny (who's a great manager) is far superior to Rafa as one, doesn't amount to disliking Rafa as a manager.

It's not Rafa's fault that Kenny's record is far better, most managers are.

Kenny WAS a great manager. He may well still be but he has to prove it. At the moment it doesnt look like he is. He may well still be a great manager and prove those who doubt him as wrong.

[BringbackBiscan]

They were in completely different time frames, I still think Rafa winning the Champions League with the squad he had was one of the best achievements a manager has every achieved for this club.

A cup win in a time when English clubs get a bye to the Q/F's will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

[Rowan]

No because we played in the CL and finishing in the top four wasn't as important as it is now and Rafa didn't get a lot of money to spend on new players.

Now we must finish in the top four or we won't be able to compete in the transfer market because of the new rules.

We need the CL money to be able to make the next step. No CL means at least £30m less to spend on players and wages. We don't have a big stadium and that means that the CL money is a must.

Playing in the CL next season is a must.

That's bollocks, Arn. So you're saying that it was ok for Rafa to underachieve in the league because getting 4th wasn't as important (which it was by the way). But it's not acceptable for Kenny to do the same? You can't have one rule for one and one rule for another just to fit your own agenda.

If we're twisting facts to suit are own views it could quite as easily be said that Rafa by finishing 7th deserved to go and the reason we're not in the Champions League is partially due to his under performance.

He needs time (just like Rafa needed time in his first season).

[Arn]

Based on his numerous league titles then. Rafa's record in England doesn't even come close tbh.

That was 25 years or so ago. Football have changed a lot since then. That was the last time Kenny delivered.

He was a failure at Newcastle and at Celtic.

Is there any proof out there that he is getting the best out the players? No there isn't. If he isn't getting that then it is bye bye Kenny.

[Daniel 7]

The annoying thing about the new Kenny reign is that we should be a year and a bit into his second spell now. Roy should never have happened, the only man who could "steady the ship" (a ****ing annoying cliche in its own right) was Kenny, he should have been a shoo in as soon as he registered interest. He did fantastically well to put the smiles back on our faces after the pig's ear Hodgson made of it.

CJ, you're right. There are two spectres hanging over LFC just now, one being Rafa and the other being the memory of Dalglish in his previous guise as all round hero on the pitch and off it.

Arn, the top 4 battle was arguably less forgiveable under Rafa in his first season given the establishment of a top 4 including Liverpool, and Kenny having to battle against City, Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal PLUS the surprise team (NUFC). remember Everton played that part in 04/05. Yesits more important now, its also harder to maintain top 4 now than it was in 04/05.

[BringbackBiscan]

Kenny WAS a great manager. He may well still be but he has to prove it. At the moment it doesnt look like he is. He may well still be a great manager and prove those who doubt him as wrong.

Yeah he got **** overnight.

You could easily roll out Rafa's poor last two season's and say he needs to prove he still is a good manager, which would be bollocks, managers don't lose their marbles until they go senile.

[Gibbo]

A cup win in a time when English clubs get a bye to the Q/F's will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

I don't get how you can use that to dictate how good a manager is though, Would Kenny have won the Champions League with the same squad that year? Is Darren Fletcher better than Gerrard because he has more League Medals.

[BringbackBiscan]

I don't get how you can use that to dictate how good a manager is though, Would Kenny have won the Champions League with the same squad that year? Is Darren Fletcher better than Gerrard because he has more League Medals.

What has Darren Fletcher and medals got to do with it. What I'm saying is a cup win, which amounted to five hard games will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

[Mostar]

Aguero 200k a week. NEVER going to happen. Only football manager ****s look at the two fees and think Carroll cost the same as Aguero.

And no I've never been banned from here.

It should've happened though.

If you want to challenge for the title or at least top 4 we should be looking to sign at least one or two world class players.

Sure they cost money from transfer fee to high wages but those things go hand in hand as they are top notch fottballers.

Even if we cannot sign the "cream of the crop" as our approach "Value for money" seems to be to go after young talented players than we should be doing everything we can to sign Hazards, Goetzes, Neymars of this world cause looking for some bargain buys in hopes of finding the world beater like Suarez doesn't work 9 out of 10 times.

The bottom line is, if we want to be again one of the football finest clubs we will need to modify our approach and go after the best.

I don't us to be Cityh or anything like it but I do want us to have 3-5 game changers that can influence the game outcome on any day.

[Gibbo]

What has Darren Fletcher and medals got to do with it. What I'm saying is a cup win, which amounted to five hard games will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

You was implying Kenny is a better manager because he has more titles was you not?

Fletcher has more medals than Gerrard, so by your logic that would make him better no?

I'm just trying to understand how you come to that conclusion.

For the record I think both managers are better in different departments, Rafa was a better tactician, whereas Kenny has always been known as a master man manager.

[Arn]

What has Darren Fletcher and medals got to do with it. What I'm saying is a cup win, which amounted to five hard games will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

Maybe you should try and win the league with either Moores and Parry in charge or Gillett, Hicks and Purslow.

It makes it a lot more difficult than having FSG in charge. Guaranteed.

[el matador]

I love kenny. ive even got his pic on my phone but I dont think this going to work. when he was last manager we used to buy all the best players and perhaps managing a team with so much quality and exceptional levels of performance is easier than managing a load of **** that hes bought wih fsgs young player policy in mind.

I do believe that with this team rafa would get us into te champions league.

[Daniel 7]

What has Darren Fletcher and medals got to do with it. What I'm saying is a cup win, which amounted to five hard games will never be a bigger achievement then winning the league.

I can see some points you are making, but using a Man Utd argument to disparage one of our biggest modern achievements is a bit ****ing cheap.

[baronvonskidmark]

I think that the Rafa/Kenny thing is largely irrelevant. We just needed to stick to the successful, incisive, exciting way of playing that Kenny created at the back end of last season. If we can ditch the 4-4-2 and go back to that I think we could be fine with Dalglish. If we keep trying to crowbar sub-standard players into a system that is clearly not working then Champions League football next season is a pipe dream.