Our style of play

[Charly]

Not sure Klopp can turn it around with these midfielders.

Most of them dont have the legs now, and its only going to get worse as the season goes on.

Im actually a bit worried about it.

I just cannot fathom why we did not bring in a midfielder in the window. 40m for Gakpo, a player that may not play if everyone is fit... Perhaps he was a replacement for Firmino, but we could.have deferred until the summer.

It seems pretty obvious this team wont make the champions league next year.

I think we could easily finish bottom half.

The only player who gives me any real hope is Diaz and maybe Jota coming back, as they can shoot a bit better... But even then the players behind cant press properly. I dont see us turning this around in any meaningful way. The midielders we do have are tired, and will be more prone to injury. Perhaps they know this and why they are not pressing as hard.

I dont wanna blame Klopp, but this problem has been coming for ages, so much so that even I could see it. With a stat led analysis, he should have been more aware than anyone else.

It was more than evident durimg the second half of last season. The intensity was not quite there (understandable), but the lack of options in midfield meant we were stuck with the same three players. The same three that we had at the start of this season when Naby did Naby.

We have had many chances to address this and focused 100m on players who (in my opinion) are not good enough to be in the first 11, and in a position we are loaded with exciting youngsters. 3 new strikers and a bumper Salah contract. An emergency loan for the creaking midfield (who obviously got injured).

Im worried that a defeat away at Wolves could lead to Everton taking the points... I think the press will then turn on Klopp, putting pressure on him and FSG. I bet the players are already feeling it.

Of course, spanking Evwrton could be the release valve we need, but they will be up for it, and have the energy to cause us problems.

[dizzycat]

The team doesn't have the same desire to win and never say die attitude. We don't know if this is the after effect from the experience of last season. This combined with injuries, a massive drop in form of several key players and poor recruitment is leading to a disastrous season.We are predictable and easy to play against we have seriously messed up by not strengthening from a place of strength. A player signing last summer would have expected to challenge for everything, one signing this summer will have a very different outlook. I can't get my head around how such a heavily coached system can implode so quickly.

[baitman]

The team doesn't have the same desire to win and never say die attitude. We don't know if this is the after effect from the experience of last season. This combined with injuries, a massive drop in form of several key players and poor recruitment is leading to a disastrous season.We are predictable and easy to play against we have seriously messed up by not strengthening from a place of strength. A player signing last summer would have expected to challenge for everything, one signing this summer will have a very different outlook. I can't get my head around how such a heavily coached system can implode so quickly.

It's crazy, isn't it.
I do really wonder if the players can also see the struggle and wonder why the manager is so reluctant to alter the formation and methods to better suit the players he has available.
It must demoralise them thinking they know we are going to be struggling before we even kick off.
Klopps way... great if you have the players for the system, but stubborn if you haven't.
Adapt, ffs

[badpiggy]

It's crazy, isn't it.
I do really wonder if the players can also see the struggle and wonder why the manager is so reluctant to alter the formation and methods to better suit the players he has available.
It must demoralise then thinking they know we are going to be struggling before we even kick off.
Klopps way... great if you have the players for the system, but stubborn if you haven't.
Adapt, ffs

That's what I think. What if the players just can't give what Klopp wants? Last season was insane and even then you could see how we were coming up short. The intensity required to stay in 4 competitions until the last kick only to lose the two big ones and win the two lesser ones on penalties. It's a wild combination of ludicrous success, gut-wrenching failure and squeaking over the line. In my mind that has to be the textbook recipe for burnout. Empty tanks all round and a genuine genius manager with one amazing trick and nothing else? It sounds horrible and ungrateful but it's pretty Shakespearean/Greekly tragic too - what a fatal flaw/pyrrhic victory (sort of).

[danperkins]

It's crazy, isn't it.
I do really wonder if the players can also see the struggle and wonder why the manager is so reluctant to alter the formation and methods to better suit the players he has available.
It must demoralise then thinking they know we are going to be struggling before we even kick off.
Klopps way... great if you have the players for the system, but stubborn if you haven't.
Adapt, ffs

The team doesn't have the same desire to win and never say die attitude. We don't know if this is the after effect from the experience of last season. This combined with injuries, a massive drop in form of several key players and poor recruitment is leading to a disastrous season.We are predictable and easy to play against we have seriously messed up by not strengthening from a place of strength. A player signing last summer would have expected to challenge for everything, one signing this summer will have a very different outlook. I can't get my head around how such a heavily coached system can implode so quickly.

[baitman]

Has anyone ever signed a new contract for us and maintained their form...
Everyone goes to **** once they sign

[Tribute]

Our style of play

I blame the ****ty psycho disco away kit. It’s absolutely ****ing awful…
I don’t even know why it doesn’t have dark shorts for a bit of balance… it still wouldn’t be great, but the white ones look absolutely ****e. Designers need shooting.

[Tribute]

Our style of play

Has anyone ever signed a new contract for us and maintained their form...
Everyone goes to **** once they sign

Lineker has maintained his form in retirement… :-)

[S-RED]

Has anyone ever signed a new contract for us and maintained their form...
Everyone goes to **** once they sign

All too comfortable TBH, hendo, VVD, TAA, Fab, Mo have not shown the leadership you wouldexpect & they are Klopp/Ljinders go too's. Only three that have stepped up this season are Ali, Milner (****in millie....) & Robbo

[Kenneth]

Not convinced Robbo is on that list tbh.

[Harv]

Robbo's been rubbish this season

[Buzzo]

Nah - he’s been ok. Games when we play well he typically plays well. Still providing assists (though not as many). Just scrapes a pass mark.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Nah - he’s been ok. Games when we play well he typically plays well. Still providing assists (though not as many). Just scrapes a pass mark.

Yeah that is fair. He has been decent more often than not rather than the force of nature he used to be.

As you pointed out he is still racking up assists at a good rate for a LB (again a good rate rather than the crazy high rate we are used to).

Where he is trumping TAA this season is Robertson switches off less and gets caught out of position less, and he certainly does not get caught not making an effort to get back as often either.

Not our best defender this season (that for my money is Konate despite him missing a lot of games) but is far from being our most inconsistent one (bit of a battle for that title).

[Buzzo]

We are so ****ing slow playing out from the back and VVD and Trent are the main culprits for me. Always looking for the extra touch, roll the ball under the studs, look for an option. It all needs to be much quicker.

That points to a bigger formation issue when they have nobody to pass to, but I think this is combined with a bit of a casual approach from these two in particular.

[S-RED]

the most frustrating thing yesterday was that for 15 mins we absolutley bossed it & it was a case of wen not if we score; then the players seemed to collectivaly say ah bollocks this is too easy & eased up.

Say what you want about them (& plenty do on here), but had Hendo or millie started yesterday there would have been no let up; thats what we lack IMO, Mo, VVD, TAA, Robbo, Fab, Ali are not leaders in that sense; they may be the senior players, but they are not relentless enough when it comes to motivating others.