Brendan Rodgers

[DannyMan2006]

January doesn't really give you a chance to bring in more than a couple of players.

I'd feel that this season is a write off whatever happens, because whoever comes in we don't have the players to play whatever system they want. We are going to January at least with square pegs in round holes. While I think that the squad has more quality than it's showing but it has no players in some positions.

I think they might be forced into a decision soon, but by then the window will be right upon us and a new manager might ask for a certain player without knowing if ones in his squad can do the job.

And whilst because of not knowing the squad properly no buys would be made and we would possibly be playing 5 months without having a key ingredient. Get a new boss in now and start making plans.

[Buzzo]

I'd have been interested to listen to this entire discussion...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErb-Be8zzU"]Carragher & Neville on Liverpool's poor season start & Rodgers' future - YouTube[/ame]

[Frenchie]

The part I dont understand is that FSG are all about advertising, branding, new revenue streams, new markets etc and they dont seem to understand that there is a correlation between performance on the pitch, player quality and all of these advertising contracts.

They have done well on the revenue side, I agree. But most of that were based on the reputation our club has in the past and some of our iconic players like Gerrard. If you look at their tenure there is nothing they have done on the footballing side which will lead to increased revenues in the future. In fact another 3-4 more years of similar performance and if they are still the owners, I am sure they will find it difficult to grow their revenues.

We have no marketable players, our football is **** and as Leyton pointed out earlier we have treated europe as an unnecessary distraction. Everything seems so bland about the club, no player to get excited about, nothing. We seem to be becoming a crapier version of Arsenal.

The model might be to deliberately reduce our UEFA coefficient sufficiently to allow fo performance related contracts from sponsors then move up the rankings

[Rowan]

FSG haven't got the slightest clue about football & one thing that Rodgers can do well is talk a good game. He has a silver tongue, i'll give him that. The guy certainly can sell himself.

I think after 5 years they'll have got the jist of it. And given that it's even more worrying that this manager is still in charge.

I love a good underdog tale as much as the next chap. If he doesn't get the bullet and turns it around then fair play to him. But the evidence is massively to the contrary and an organisation famed for basing decisions on data analysis should have spotted that by now... Unless they've lost their calculator in which case all is forgiven

[Frenchie]

In their heads

[Buzzo]

We did that with Kenny and we can't repeat that mistake again.

Though it was the right decision to move on from Kenny - he still managed to bag a trophy and a final in his 1.5 seasons..!

Brendan really must have been a smooth talking ****er in that end of season review.

[danperkins]

I think after 5 years they'll have got the jist of it. And given that it's even more worrying that this manager is still in charge.

I love a good underdog tale as much as the next chap. If he doesn't get the bullet and turns it around then fair play to him. But the evidence is massively to the contrary and an organisation famed for basing decisions on data analysis should have spotted that by now... Unless they've lost their calculator in which case all is forgiven

yeah if they are into statistics, there are certainly a few interesting ones floating around. Honestly I don't think they have the slightest clue about football itself.... just what others tell them.

[DannyMan2006]

Though it was the right decision to move on from Kenny - he still managed to bag a trophy and a final in his 1.5 seasons..!

Brendan really must have been a smooth talking ****er in that end of season review.

He had plenty of excuses he could use. His problem is his team this year are just as bad & no mad Mario to blame it all on.

[Phoenix07]

We did that with Kenny and we can't repeat that mistake again.

The mistake with Kenny was that we went on and gave him a 3 year contract, and then Henry appeared on 'Being Liverpool' and bull****ted at how Kenny always knew it was a short term gig.

We make it abundantly clear that it's a short term stint, regardless of what happens. Kenny went in without that. He knew that if he did well, the job was his.

Also, if you look at the ages of both Hiddink and Capello, they'll be eyeing retirement, which is why they took international jobs. I don't think either would fancy anything long term with us anyway, but one last shot at a big club who needs help? Why not?

Hiddink and Capello are big names in the footballing world, hugely experienced, and our young squad would look to learn from them until we bring in a permanent replacement.

[DannyMan2006]

The mistake with Kenny was that we went on and gave him a 3 year contract, and then Henry appeared on 'Being Liverpool' and bull****ted at how Kenny always knew it was a short term gig.

We make it abundantly clear that it's a short term stint, regardless of what happens. Kenny went in without that. He knew that if he did well, the job was his.

Also, if you look at the ages of both Hiddink and Capello, they'll be eyeing retirement, which is why they took international jobs. I don't think either would fancy anything long term with us anyway, but one last shot at a big club who needs help? Why not?

Hiddink and Capello are big names in the footballing world, hugely experienced, and our young squad would look to learn from them until we bring in a permanent replacement.

I think we should be hiring a new manager, not a short term option. Not unless Guardiola has confirmed he will join at the end of the season.

Any boss (within reason) will come, you just have to show mega ambition which we don't seem inclined to do.

[Mark79]

We did that with Kenny and we can't repeat that mistake again.

The caretaker aspect of that move wasn't a mistake though. It revived the players and the 2nd half of that season. We were on an upward curve again.

The wrong turn, in hindsight, was when Kenny got the job full time.

[captainfog]

We did that with Kenny and we can't repeat that mistake again.

That mistake won us a cup which is more than Rodgers has done.

[el matador]

Though it was the right decision to move on from Kenny - he still managed to bag a trophy and a final in his 1.5 seasons..!

Brendan really must have been a smooth talking ****er in that end of season review.

Kenny didn't have to step in but he did because he loved the club and we won a trophy. But we need to invest in another manager someone with a track record of achievement.

Fenway tried to replicate the red sox model where they hired a young unknown general manager in Theo Epstein who remodeled their entire franchise. They thought Rodgers could do what he said he could.

Look Brendan Rodgers has some good ideas, but there is a massive disconnect between what's in his head and what is produced by the feet of our players. In his head were Barcelona, but on the pitch were Rotherham.

There is a problem with the realisation of those ideas. I think the problem is in training, I don't think the drills / sessions they do in any way reflect what he wants them to do on the pitch.

There's no other way to explain this. No manager sets his teams out to be utter **** unless he wants the sack.

[Exiled_red]

The model might be to deliberately reduce our UEFA coefficient sufficiently to allow fo performance related contracts from sponsors then move up the rankings

The thing that is limiting our UEFA coefficient is the fact we failed to qualify for Europe at all twice (2011-12 and 2013-14 we had no European football) in the last 5 years - the period over which it is calculated. Had we qualified for the Europa league and made it through the group stage and no further in both those seasons our ranking would be significantly higher - in fact it would be close to double what it is at the moment meaning we would move from 55th (where we are now) to somewhere around 27th. Which is probably the bare minimum of where we should be.

[Phoenix07]

I agree, but if we can't get a quality replacement now, we may have to wait.

I'd be going all out for Klopp. His agent seems to be doing a Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct, dropping hints which seem to be referring to us. Yet, if he wants to have a full year out, then we may have to take a caretaker role. The same applies to Ancelotti. Emery won't walk out on Sevilla. Who else is there?