Rafa Watch

[Chris]

What exactly is Cringe-worthy? Me not knowing if Benitez wanted to sign Keane or not? Or that fact I like the guy and will defend it when people make assertions not based in fact but heresy? You wrote there were 'Suggestions' well thats concrete proof of something if ever I have read it.

Dont jump down my throat and think you are superior because of 'Suggestions'

I just find it amusing how any bad signing is not his. Its utterly ****ing ridiculous and if someone said Torres or Alonso were Parry's signings you'd rightly go mental.

I find it astonishing you think Rick Parry just went out and spent £19m of the clubs money on someone the manager didnt want.



You really cant have a proper discussion about him on here, its sad.

[Chris]

Even if he'd had a player forced on him, would you expect him to come out and tell everyone at the press conference, come on, a bit of reality please.

Tbh, as i stated in my post, i don't know the truth, not sure anyone does, except the involved parties.

Yeah because he was so shy in telling the press his problems!

[Vermilion]

Yeah because he was so shy in telling the press his problems!

Yes he was, he just told us about Liverpools problems, but he was'nt daft enough to make out he did'nt want a player on the day of purchase, especially as he likley knew he'd have to get rid soon enough if the case was he'd been forced to buy a certain player, IF indeed he was.

[Alex]

Were having a proper discussion, but you keep calling peoples opinions crap and cringe-worthy.

No one knows for certain who he wanted and who he didn't. NO ONE. Stop making it seem like you know the inner workings of the club, you don't.

I have no where said Rafa didn't want him either, but I think there were probably targets that were much higher on the list. I don't think anyone has claimed he was unwanted when he signed.

[dww]

I think part of the problem is that in some of those instances we have very incomplete information. It's clear that on some level Rafa did rate Keane but totally unclear that he wanted him as the priority signing or without other signings to give him a plan A and a plan B to use in matches.

I think some parts of the discussion are just hard to have, not just on here because we don't have enough knowledge to judge the decisions made.

For example Parry might be getting a bum deal as the owners he worked for might not have allowed him to conclude transfers quicker or given him the information needed to make informed decisions with Rafa.

[Chris]

Were having a proper discussion, but you keep calling peoples opinions crap and cringe-worthy.

No one knows for certain who he wanted and who he didn't. NO ONE. Stop making it seem like you know the inner workings of the club, you don't.

I have no here said Rafa didn't want him either, but I think there were probably targets that were much higher on the list. I don't think anyone has claimed he was unwanted when he signed.

Can you not see how utterly stupid it is though? Instead of just admitting the guy made a mistake you are saying the club went out and spent £19m for a laugh on a player he didnt want. Its genuinely insane.

But fair enough, Torres, Alonso, Agger, Reina and Mascherano were wanted and signed by Rick Parry.

[Alex]

Can you not see how utterly stupid it is though? Instead of just admitting the guy made a mistake you are saying the club went out and spent £19m for a laugh on a player he didnt want. Its genuinely insane.

But fair enough, Torres, Alonso, Agger, Reina and Mascherano were wanted and signed by Rick Parry.

Your really not reading what's being written are you. I said "IF it was his mistake he got shot quickly"

Your anti, im pro. Try to see my side like Im trying to see yours.

I dont think Parry went and signed anyone unless the names were given to him.

[Neil Young]

It seems to be people like you wont admit Robbie Keane or Aquilani was a bad mistake because we were under Hicks and Gillett's ownership so it "doesn't count"

Good grief, you are such a pedant, I dont know why I bother. Last time I tried to discuss anything with you I got a load of psycho babble.

Loads of people wanted a change which is why were there was a huge thread on here with people suggesting all sorts of names, it was obvious we'd struggle to get anyone really good but people accepting or suggesting the likes of Roy Hodgson said it all about how bad we'd got. You can acknowledge Benitez ****ed up while also knowing Hicks and Gillett were evil. Who's fault was the Inter Milan failure? Revisionism indeed!

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...hlight=manager

"People like you" - well done.

You can't help getting personal immediately. The sad thing is I agree with much of what you post but as soon as someone disagrees you make it personal.

[Chrono]

As soon as the manager takes over a squad of players then it is 100% his squad. He will change tactics, he will change the way they train. He will sell and sign players.

If we win the league this season then it is 100% thanks to Kenny. It is his squad. Rafa would have nothing to do with it. It wouldn't be 90% thanks to Kenny and 10% thanks to Rafa. It would be 100% thanks to Kenny.

On that basis your defence of Rafa inheriting an aging squad at Inter is null and void. You can't have it both ways.

[Vermilion]

I think part of the problem is that in some of those instances we have very incomplete information. It's clear that on some level Rafa did rate Keane but totally unclear that he wanted him as the priority signing or without other signings to give him a plan A and a plan B to use in matches.[/B]

I think some parts of the discussion are just hard to have, not just on here because we don't have enough knowledge to judge the decisions made.

For example Parry might be getting a bum deal as the owners he worked for might not have allowed him to conclude transfers quicker or given him the information needed to make informed decisions with Rafa.

[Kenneth]

"People like you" - well done.

You can't help getting personal immediately. The sad thing is I agree with much of what you post but as soon as someone disagrees you make it personal.

Careful Neil, the stalking accusations are now only one disagreement away.

[Chris]

Your really not reading what's being written are you. I said "IF it was his mistake he got shot quickly"

Your anti, im pro. Try to see my side like Im trying to see yours.

I dont think Parry went and signed anyone unless the names were given to him.

I'm not anti at all, thats utterly ridiculous. I just dare to object to some of the "it was never his fault" stuff that the likes of you and Arn spew all the time.

If someone said Torres or whoever wasnt his you'd go ****ing nuts so please, stop trying to pretend or imply that any bad signing wasnt his.

[Roboklopp]

Why are you so angry all the time Chris?

[Alex]

I'm not anti at all, thats utterly ridiculous. I just dare to object to some of the "it was never his fault" stuff that the likes of you and Arn spew all the time.

If someone said Torres or whoever wasnt his you'd go ****ing nuts so please, stop trying to pretend or imply that any bad signing wasnt his.

Why do I get tarred with this brush.

Please also dont presume to tell me how I will react to situations. Ive been pretty polite so far. I have my fair share of problems with the way he does stuff. But I dont force my opinions on people. IM NOT ****ING ARN!

Edit: Sorry Arn

[Arn]

On that basis your defence of Rafa inheriting an aging squad at Inter is null and void. You can't have it both ways.

It takes more than six months to learn the squad a completely new tactic. Mourinho used a very defensive tactic and Rafa wanted the squad to play a very attacking one. Pressing all over the pitch.

It takes more than six months change that. It was Rafas squad at Inter and he would probably got rid of problem makers like Cambiasso, Stankovic and Materazzi in January. He never got the chance to do that.

It takes more than six months to change everything.

It was his squad and if he had used the same tactic as Mourinho then they would most probably played much better. Rafa wanted to develop the game and play more attacking as I said. He trained the squad to suit that. That means that it is 100% his squad. It was his choice, right or wrong to do it.