Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Fredo]

Mr Evra and Mr Suarez are agreed that they spoke to each other in Spanish in the
goalmouth. Mr Evra said that he is not exactly fluent in Spanish but that he can easily
converse in Spanish. For Mr Suarez, Spanish is his native language as a Uruguayan. Mr
Evra told us that he began the conversation by saying "Concha de tu hermana". Mr Evra's
evidence was that this is a phrase used in Spanish like when you say "****ing hell" in
English, but the literal translation is "your sister's pussy". Mr Suarez did not hear Mr Evra
say this. One of the video clips that we have seen, taken from a close up angle behind the
goal, does appear to support Mr Evra's evidence that he started the conversation with this
comment.

[Lee]

The club and our Lawyers are going to have a field day with this. Time to roll out the big guns

Grabiner's suit looks so cheap and nasty.

[ChesterDave]

Suarez has been done up based on translation confusions between Latin American Spanish, English, Dutch, and European Spanish all being translated one way or the other.

Evra appears to have given his evidence in English avaoiding the need for translation.

[BootRoom]

Wasn't it the foul where we have evidence that Evra made a meal of it?

Is this it?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH50lwwBRms"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH50lwwBRms[/ame]

[truefan999]

I have to say that the evidence looks very weak. The word of Evra v Suarez. None are particularly plausible or persuasive. I see no reason to believe one over the other.

THat alone should have seen this charge dismissed.

We should appeal.

I would suspect it will be upheld but the ban reduced to four games and further statements that Suarez is not a racist.

Then we should complain about Evra.....

[Lee]

In the 58th minute of the game, Mr Suarez fouled Mr Evra between the edge of the
Manchester United penalty area and the corner flag at the Kop end. It seemed to us to be a
deliberate foul, and the referee awarded a free kick. The foul was committed by Mr Suarez
kicking Mr Evra on his right knee. Mr Evra explained that he had previously had a bad
problem in that knee. He remained on the ground receiving medical treatment for about
one minute after the tackle.
83.
Mr Evra said that while he was lying on the ground, Mr Kuyt came up to him and said
"stand up, you ****ing prick". Mr Kuyt said "This is untrue. What I did say was something
to the effect of "Stand up, stand up", as if to say that it had been a foul but he was making too much of it". The video footage did not show Mr Kuyt speaking to Mr Evra at this time,
but Mr Kuyt admitted that he did so. The dispute is about what Mr Kuyt said, not about
whether he said anything to Mr Evra at that time. Very little attention was paid to this
dispute during the hearing, and we did not find it necessary in reaching our decision to
make a finding about what Mr Kuyt had said to Mr Evra.



And they believe Evra's version.

'kin hell.

We've been stitched up like kippers.

[BootRoom]

Haha ****ing ha "It seemed to us to be a deliberate foul, and the referee awarded a free kick".

You shower or ****ing morons. How anybody can claim that to be a deliberate foul is seriously deluded, and it sets to tone for the entire report.

[Fredo]

Is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH50lwwBRms

[Shaggy]

Is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH50lwwBRms

Is that the "foul" which Evra claims left him "in shock and upset"? "Kick on the knee"? He's holding his knee during his bout of injury-feigning.

They're taking this man's word?

[ChesterDave]

33 paragraphs to detail 3 discrepancies in Suarez accounts.


316. There were, thus, three changes in this account from what Mr Suarez had said in his 2
November interview: (1) Previously he had said that this exchange took place when they
were walking away after the referee had spoken to them, whereas now it was said to have
occurred simultaneously with the referee blowing his whistle and before he spoke to
them. (2) Previously he had said that the exchange took place in the context of Mr Suarez
saying sorry to Mr Evra as required by the referee, whereas now nothing was said about
Mr Suarez apologising. (3) Previously Mr Suarez said that he believed that Mr Evra's
comment that Mr Suarez should not touch him was a reference to Mr Suarez putting his
hand on the back of Mr Evra's head, whereas now it was said to be a reference to the
pinching on the goal line.
317. Mr Suarez touched on these changes in his account of events in his witness statement
when he said:
"I should point out that, in interview with the FA, I had thought that the
conversation in paragraph 32 [it should be 30] above took place after the Referee
spoke to myself and PE. On viewing the clips, however (which I was not shown
during the interview), I now realise that the conversation took place immediately
before the Referee spoke to us."
318. In the course of the hearing, it became apparent


320. It is true to say that Mr Suarez had not seen all the video clips when he was interviewed,


12. During the interview, the FA and Mr Evra watched some video footage of the match.

13. No mention that Luis Suarez got to see a single video.

[BootRoom]

Is that the "foul" which Evra claims left him "in shock and upset"? "Kick on the knee"? He's holding his knee during his bout of injury-feigning.

They're taking this man's word?

It must be because Kuyt comes over as described.

[Leyton388]

Those Fergie loving cunts would have believed Evra if he was standing over a body, covered in blood with the murder weapon in his hands protesting his innocence.

The would have put the death down to natural causes.

[Fredo]

Mr Evra and Mr Suarez are agreed that they spoke to each other in Spanish in the
goalmouth. Mr Evra said that he is not exactly fluent in Spanish but that he can easily
converse in Spanish. For Mr Suarez, Spanish is his native language as a Uruguayan. Mr
Evra told us that he began the conversation by saying "Concha de tu hermana".

Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr
Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suarez made that
comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a ******". He now says
that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean "Because you are black". We shall
consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

[TheElephantMan]

I know he won't be able to speak about this publicly until it's all sorted, I'd love to hear Kenny's verdict on this report.

[BootRoom]

33 paragraphs to detail 3 discrepancies in Suarez accounts.


316. There were, thus, three changes in this account from what Mr Suarez had said in his 2
November interview: (1) Previously he had said that this exchange took place when they
were walking away after the referee had spoken to them, whereas now it was said to have
occurred simultaneously with the referee blowing his whistle and before he spoke to
them. (2) Previously he had said that the exchange took place in the context of Mr Suarez
saying sorry to Mr Evra as required by the referee, whereas now nothing was said about
Mr Suarez apologising. (3) Previously Mr Suarez said that he believed that Mr Evra's
comment that Mr Suarez should not touch him was a reference to Mr Suarez putting his
hand on the back of Mr Evra's head, whereas now it was said to be a reference to the
pinching on the goal line.
317. Mr Suarez touched on these changes in his account of events in his witness statement
when he said:
"I should point out that, in interview with the FA, I had thought that the
conversation in paragraph 32 [it should be 30] above took place after the Referee
spoke to myself and PE. On viewing the clips, however (which I was not shown
during the interview), I now realise that the conversation took place immediately
before the Referee spoke to us."
318. In the course of the hearing, it became apparent


320. It is true to say that Mr Suarez had not seen all the video clips when he was interviewed,


12. During the interview, the FA and Mr Evra watched some video footage of the match.

13. No mention that Luis Suarez got to see a single video.

This should be grounds for appeal right there; Evra gets to line up his story while watching video playback, while Luis has to try and remember things from a stressful time where there were alsorts going on, totally unaided.