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    #466
    Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
    I think I do. Would put a stop to what is basically a trade in children. Don't see how it could be workable though.
    I agree, Kennel.

    It's just an opinion on the rules - he isn't saying "I hate foreigners".
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #467
      Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
      Not bothered about his England remarks, but not very comfortable with his comments about academies. What's that all about? I can't imagine any of the young foreign lads in our academy reading that would be too thrilled.
      Plonker of a thing to say really.

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        #468
        Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
        I agree, Kennel.

        It's just an opinion on the rules - he isn't saying "I hate foreigners".
        Indeed. He only says that in private
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          #469
          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
          I agree, Kennel.

          It's just an opinion on the rules - he isn't saying "I hate foreigners".
          Not sure I have a well defined opinion about the rights and wrongs of it but it seems to me that if we intend to use the academy as a platform for future success then we will need to recruit the best players we can as that is what others do. Practically high profile members of the club saying things like this seems unhelpful to me.
          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
          -- William Blake

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            #470
            Originally posted by dww View Post
            Not sure I have a well defined opinion about the rights and wrongs of it but it seems to me that if we intend to use the academy as a platform for future success then we will need to recruit the best players we can as that is what others do. Practically high profile members of the club saying things like this seems unhelpful to me.


            If we've got to compete with the best then this is a totally stupid statement from Carra. Then as Shaggy said, it alienates the young foreigners in the team. This is a disastrous statement IMO.
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              #471
              Disastrous? Get a grip man.

              He's not said never sign a foreigner or even never sign a foreign kid, he's just said he'd prefer them staying where they are till 18 or whatever. I dont agree with him and think locals will come through if they are good enough regardless but a proud scouser wanting the academy to be scouse is hardly radical or "disastrous".

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                #472
                Originally posted by Chris View Post
                Disastrous? Get a grip man.

                He's not said never sign a foreigner or even never sign a foreign kid, he's just said he'd prefer them staying where they are till 18 or whatever. I dont agree with him and think locals will come through if they are good enough regardless but a proud scouser wanting the academy to be scouse is hardly radical or "disastrous".
                If there are good enough scousers they will come through. We've been here before but you know my point on this. It's cheaper for clubs to get players in with potential early on, then develop them. There's more risk as well as you won't know if a player will develop into a top player but that's how things are done now.
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                  #473
                  Cheaper Taking 16/17 years olds or younger from another country or even continent not only isn't necessary, it's not right either imo.
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                    #474
                    Originally posted by dww View Post
                    Not sure I have a well defined opinion about the rights and wrongs of it but it seems to me that if we intend to use the academy as a platform for future success then we will need to recruit the best players we can as that is what others do. Practically high profile members of the club saying things like this seems unhelpful to me.
                    I think it'll have very little effect what he says. As usual it's getting overanalysed and the reaction is overblown.

                    Obviously it wouldn't be sensible for one club to adopt it as a policy but that isn't what he's suggesting.

                    By the way I disagree with him about over 18's. But yeah, I think it would be a good thing if football stopped exploiting children.
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                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                      #475
                      I bet people like Messi, Pedro et al wish they were never 'exploited'.
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                        #476
                        Well that's ok then. If some people end up being happy about it, sod the rest.
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                          #477
                          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                          I think it'll have very little effect what he says. As usual it's getting overanalysed and the reaction is overblown.

                          Obviously it wouldn't be sensible for one club to adopt it as a policy but that isn't what he's suggesting.

                          By the way I disagree with him about over 18's. But yeah, I think it would be a good thing if football stopped exploiting children.
                          I don't get that. For most of the youngsters it is a fantastic opportunity to move abroad or to another City, learn another language/experience another culture, get first class education both academically and footballing, all resulting in the chance to become a professional. And earn good money.
                          "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                            #478
                            Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                            I bet people like Messi, Pedro et al wish they were never 'exploited'.
                            That's a specious argument.

                            It fails to look at the fact that the vast majority of kids don't end up in the position of Messi and the others.

                            It also fails to address the moral question of what it means for our world that some ff the most famous companies in the world are prepared to put kids through a mill.
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                              #479
                              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                              That's a specious argument.

                              It fails to look at the fact that the vast majority of kids don't end up in the position of Messi and the others.

                              It also fails to address the moral question of what it means for our world that some ff the most famous companies in the world are prepared to put kids through a mill.
                              Is there evidence that this is happening in football? I thought our academy gave kids education as well so that they could fall back onto something else if they don't make the grade.
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                                #480
                                Carra speaks about how he thinks academies should be run


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