Jordan Henderson

[Lecter]

This has to be looked at in terms of value to the team and the cost to replicate that if he leaves.

I guess he must be asking for at the very least parity with Balotelli - which is fair enough as he adds infinitely more to our team obviously. He should be asking for more than Mario tbh.

The cost of replacing him would be far greater than paying him pretty much what he wants, assuming his demands are not too unrealistic. We would have to actually sign a player (£15-20 mill?) to replace his value to the team and beat our rivals to sign said player. We would then have to pay them a big enough wage to get them to sign in the first place. Then cross our fingers that he fits in straight away, stays injury free like JH and has the same energy, which is crucial to our play. Unrealistic imo. Plus our transfer dealings are never straightforward.

We dont need to buy a replacement

He is right here

[RedRum]

I think a fully fit Mascherano would be sensational in our team to be honest. Not sure if he's got the legs he used to have though given he only seems to play at CB these days.

Definitely, Mascherano alongside Henderson would work as equally well as Lucas and him, i've no doubt. Henderson would still be more important to Rodgers though. Take Lucas out of the team and we have shown we can handle it but take Henderson out and last season showed it was critical. We could do with another midfielder like Henderson.

[Lecter]

Think Mascherano alongside Henderson would be a great partnership

Mascherano is much more mobile than Lucas and was akin to Henderson with his pressing

[RedReet]

He's got more goals than Gerrard had at the same age.
Hendo is growing into a complete midfielder, certainly the best English midfielder currently playing.

Nah, not having that. I don't think I even need to check.

[The_weatherman]

It wasn't until Rafa came along that Gerrard got into double figures regularly. The seasons from 2002-2004 he scored 4, 6 and 7 but got 13 in Rafa's first season and 23 the following one.

For the seasons 13-15 Jordan has 6, 5 and 5 (to date). Before Rafa came along these are similar numbers, but Rafa put Gerrard in a much more advanced position. Plus Gerrard was just really, really good.

[RedReet]

Yes, I get that, but Henderson has hardly been prolific either, I'm assuming this is his best year.

Gerrard scored a few in the treble winning season too, to bump up his tally.

[The_weatherman]

Yes, I get that, but Henderson has hardly been prolific either, I'm assuming this is his best year.

Gerrard scored a few in the treble winning season too, to bump up his tally.

Wasn't really taking a stand, just looked up out curiosity and posted what I saw. Henderson is more of a central midfielder for me, Gerrard under Rafa was a very attacking midfielder and rarely played in CM. Don't think he'd have scored as many from CM. I think Henderson is underrated by some on here, not aimed at you though.

[RedReet]

Had a quick check, I have Gerrard on 28 before 04/05 and 41 after (ie. same age as Henderson after this season).

Henderson I have at 24.

This is in all competitions, but I would still guess Gerrard has more in league too.

[RedReet]

Wasn't really taking a stand, just looked up out curiosity and posted what I saw. Henderson is more of a central midfielder for me, Gerrard under Rafa was a very attacking midfielder and rarely played in CM. Don't think he'd have scored as many from CM. I think Henderson is underrated by some on here, not aimed at you though.

Haha, I'm not having a go at Henderson (or you either), I just didn't expect him to have scored more than the greatest midfielder of our generation at the same age and was posting my thoughts before I had a quick look.

[The Birdman]

Had a quick check, I have Gerrard on 28 before 04/05 and 41 after (ie. same age as Henderson after this season).

Henderson I have at 24.

This is in all competitions, but I would still guess Gerrard has more in league too.

My fault it's LFC games.
Hendo currently has 18 goals in 174 games.
Gerrard had 22 goals after 193 games, I'm not that arsed to see when in the 02/03 season Gerrard reached 174 games and how many goals he scored at that point but it would have been similar.

My over riding point is Gerrard was not a prolific scorer early in his career, he had 28 goals in his first 240 games.
That leaves Hendo to score 11 goals in his next 66 games to be better, Gerrard's goal scoring got better over time, Hendo's will be exactly the same, especially if he also starts taking free kicks and penalties.

[BobTheCharmer]

My fault it's LFC games.
Hendo currently has 18 goals in 174 games.
Gerrard had 22 goals after 193 games, I'm not that arsed to see when in the 02/03 season Gerrard reached 174 games and how many goals he scored at that point but it would have been similar.

My over riding point is Gerrard was not a prolific scorer early in his career, he had 28 goals in his first 240 games.
That leaves Hendo to score 11 goals in his next 66 games to be better, Gerrard's goal scoring got better over time, Hendo's will be exactly the same, especially if he also starts taking free kicks and penalties.

that's interesting and good information because I'd have sworn Gerrard scored more regularly. weird.

[Norbs]

Henderson is scoring similar goals now too, and playing the same diagonal cross field passes. My guess is that had he been a scouser then he'd have got more notice. Gerrard scored his goals from an advanced attacking role too, Henderson is anchored in midfield.

I might have a peak back to see how much I got laughed at for suggesting Henderson was more of a box to box.midfielder than Gerrard was

[RedReet]

My fault it's LFC games.
Hendo currently has 18 goals in 174 games.
Gerrard had 22 goals after 193 games, I'm not that arsed to see when in the 02/03 season Gerrard reached 174 games and how many goals he scored at that point but it would have been similar.

Ahh I see. Although to add some context, Gerrard was 18-22 when making these appearances, often injured in his early days, whereas Henderson was 21-24, about the age when a lot of players start hitting their prime and adding goals to their game.

My over riding point is Gerrard was not a prolific scorer early in his career, he had 28 goals in his first 240 games.
That leaves Hendo to score 11 goals in his next 66 games to be better, Gerrard's goal scoring got better over time, Hendo's will be exactly the same, especially if he also starts taking free kicks and penalties.

And despite all my previous points, I do totally agree with what you are saying, even if I missed the point in your original post.

Personally I think if Henderson could be relied upon for about for at least 8 goals a season from open play, with everything else he brings to the team, he’ll be some player for us.

[danperkins]

My fault it's LFC games.
Hendo currently has 18 goals in 174 games.
Gerrard had 22 goals after 193 games, I'm not that arsed to see when in the 02/03 season Gerrard reached 174 games and how many goals he scored at that point but it would have been similar.

My over riding point is Gerrard was not a prolific scorer early in his career, he had 28 goals in his first 240 games.
That leaves Hendo to score 11 goals in his next 66 games to be better, Gerrard's goal scoring got better over time, Hendo's will be exactly the same, especially if he also starts taking free kicks and penalties.

[Angryred]

Henderson will develop if not already, into a 1 in 4/5 goal a game getting midfielder so will contribute at least 10 or more goals a season from here on in.