Jordan Henderson

[Fosterbloke]

it happened again against United last week - a ball got squared to him, edge of the box, good chance (2nd half in front of kop) and he ****ed it big time. I;m not saying you should score every time but you have to do better, you have to make the keeper work

If you mean the one where he puts it just wide of the top right of the goal, you'll spot a defender sliding in which would have deflected any ball on target. I don't think it was a bad effort and certainly not a simple chance.

[PTP]

I'd have to see it again to confirm which effort it was

I just remember him getting a shot completely wrong and thinking FFS

also I wasn't saying it was a simple chance - more that it was a good chance in a big game, that big players make more out of it (again not saying they would score but certainly have a better effort, make the keeper work) - for me Henderson, like a few others, doesn't seem to step up and take chances at big times of matches.

[Fosterbloke]

If you mean the one where he puts it just wide of the top right of the goal, you'll spot a defender sliding in which would have deflected any ball on target. I don't think it was a bad effort and certainly not a simple chance.

Actually I just watched the highlights again and he rushed it by opening his body too much. In FIFA mode I would have stopped the ball, taken it inside then smashed it.

[The Birdman]

Not a chance of selling Henderson.
He isn't injury prone, he has had 2 separate injuries this season, in each season he's played -
48
44
40
54 with
22 games this season to date, if he plays in every game we play until the end of the season he'll get around 30 games.

220 games in 5 seasons isn't injury prone, clearly.
I wonder how many top flight footballers have played more in the same period.

Henderson is perfect for a Klopp side.

[Irishnev]

If you mean the one where he puts it just wide of the top right of the goal, you'll spot a defender sliding in which would have deflected any ball on target. I don't think it was a bad effort and certainly not a simple chance.

The problem for Henderson is that his predecessor would have most likely scored that into the Kop vs United and sent the crowd wild. That is always going to be his yardstick with the armband on him.

[PTP]

yeah I seem to remember him letting the ball run across his body and the iirc slices it badly?

it was very similar to the league game against united where in an almost identical position he side foots a tame shot straight at the de gea - in that one it looked like he just made sure he hit the target....

this time round it's like he's remembered that tame side foot and tried something else and got it wrong...

it could be down to bottle, technique, or simply his injury his hampering him so much that he struggles to strike a ball - I've had it with ankle injuries - my right ankle was ****ed for years and I'm left footed, I couldn't kick a ball with any real solid contact because I was scared of getting my self set with the weight on my right ankle as I'd just collapse.

[The_weatherman]

for me, anything above £25m and I'd be tempted to sell, providing we've identified someone who would improve upon him.

I like Henderson, but he's clearly struggling with this injury and no one seems to know if it'll will ever clear up.

He's a model pro but he's clearly not a leader/club captain material which also hampers him.

Also agree with gratziani re him telegraphing every thing he does......his shooting is woeful, poor technique either down to bottling it, not having the ability or confidence or again maybe it's the injury hampering him - most likely it's a bit of all those things.

it happened again against United last week - a ball got squared to him, edge of the box, good chance (2nd half in front of kop) and he ****ed it big time. I;m not saying you should score every time but you have to do better, you have to make the keeper work - at this level, in big games, you need your big players to make the most of those opportunities and for me he fails pretty much every single time.

I like him, I want him to do well - but I don't like him as captain, and with this injury hampering him I do feel we could get someone with better end product.

When I look at our midfielders - they're all 'decent' have good qualities but they all lack quality in the final 3rd.

Personally I feel we need two new midfielders - a strong quick tackler with decent passing and someone who can drive forward, make runs into the box, or wait on edge of box and get a shot off, and if he can take set pieces then bonus.

I'm not expecting to see much of krujic next year - but from what I've read and what little I've seen - if we could get someone like that Xhaka and Gundogan to do those roles it would improve us greatly.

that leaves Can/Milner/Lucas/Allen/Henderson/Krujic fighting it out to start/provide cover

Someone somewhere has to make way. And if there was a big offer for Henderson I wouldn't be shocked if it was him

Agree with a lot of what you say, but Klopp doesn't have to make a decision until May so I reckon he won't make any final judgements until then, I'm going to do so well, at least when I can, I'm pretty sure I'll lose it a couple of times.

Henderson could shake off that injury over the next few weeks and Milner and Allen could give something to think about, although I agree with you that at least one them needs to go and maybe the simplest way of dealing with Hendo being the captain is to sell him....

[PTP]

Not a chance of selling Henderson.
He isn't injury prone, he has had 2 separate injuries this season, in each season he's played -
48
44
40
54 with
22 games this season to date, if he plays in every game we play until the end of the season he'll get around 30 games.

220 games in 5 seasons isn't injury prone, clearly.
I wonder how many top flight footballers have played more in the same period.

Henderson is perfect for a Klopp side.

Don't think anyone has said he's injury prone? More that his main injury with this issue in his heel has clearly effected him and both him and the club don't know when or if it will ever clear up

[PTP]

Agree with a lot of what you say, but Klopp doesn't have to make a decision until May so I reckon he won't make any final judgements until then, I'm going to do so well, at least when I can, I'm pretty sure I'll lose it a couple of times.

Henderson could shake off that injury over the next few weeks and Milner and Allen could give something to think about, although I agree with you that at least one them needs to go and maybe the simplest way of dealing with Hendo being the captain is to sell him....

= yeah you could ask me again in three weeks and i'll be saying Henderson has to stay and start every week and Can should be sold

Overall though - I do feel with Can/Allen/Lucas/Milner/Henderson as our main midfielders, none really inspire, are very dynamic and don't either create or score enough - I'm not expecting every centre mid to be capable of scoring 15 goals and 20 assists a season - but it would be nice to have one capable of doing so.

the fact none of them can kick a dead ball also infuriates me

Currently out that lot - Can, at his age looks the most likely to kick on and get better and better. Lucas, for me has to stay as he's now our main LFC stalwart. and I'd defo prob prefer Henderson to stay over milner/allen on paper.....

but if he does have this issue and he's the one we would get the most money for - it makes it difficult

[Rich]

There's no way I'd sell him. And certainly not to Spurs.

He's struggled this season but I'm willing to put that down to the injury. He doesn't look as mobile and that's always been one of his biggest assets.

Ultimately, Klopp's preferred formation may mean that Henderson never reproduces the form of 13/14 but we need give it at least another season for me to consider selling him.

[Exiled_red]

There's no way I'd sell him. And certainly not to Spurs.

He's struggled this season but I'm willing to put that down to the injury. He doesn't look as mobile and that's always been one of his biggest assets.

Ultimately, Klopp's preferred formation may mean that Henderson never reproduces the form of 13/14 but we need give it at least another season for me to consider selling him.

[Pablo]

There's no way I'd sell him. And certainly not to Spurs.

He's struggled this season but I'm willing to put that down to the injury. He doesn't look as mobile and that's always been one of his biggest assets.

Ultimately, Klopp's preferred formation may mean that Henderson never reproduces the form of 13/14 but we need give it at least another season for me to consider selling him.

Yep. This.

[gratziani]

What if his heel problem is not going to go away then all his positive attributes are gone , his mobility , runs behind the front three, endurance during the game.

him as a playmaking centre midfielder is not good enough, without his mobility he is not worth a place in the starting line up.

[Tribute]

What if his heel problem is not going to go away then all his positive attributes are gone , his mobility , runs behind the front three, endurance during the game.

him as a playmaking centre midfielder is not good enough, without his mobility he is not worth a place in the starting line up.

.. I think the assumption from previous posters is that it will clear up. However, if it doesn't and his attributes start to be impacted, then that's likely to lead down a different direction for discussion.

[cream]

Don't think he offers enough in a two man midfield, great in a three man midfield, not dynamic enough in a two. I think we'll see a new midfielder + Can or Henderson, most probably Can.