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    And the sickening thing is we're going to lose Can because of it who's pretty much been a monster every time he's played as a 6 for us. Oh well.

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      Yeah, need to upgrade him and drop him as captain - he's only playing a game a week as well. One too many.

      I'd like to see VVD come in as captain in January and strip Henderson of that in the summer.

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        Like I said in the match thread if he was a horse they'd have put a cover round him and shot him on the pitch.

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          What is he doing jogging to the edge of his own penalty area to pick up the ball from the CB without an Everton player within 40 yards? Just let the CB bring it out and take up a position further forward to give them an extra man to play out through ffs. And it's not as if he's spraying Gerrard passes around when he does get it.
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            His passing is like a muckspreader.
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              Hopefully Keita is his replacement.

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                The guy has fallen apart, it's sad to see. Should be warming the bench more often than not.
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                  He's under heavy rotation which i presume is to give him a chance and we all know how loyal he is. But the data boys will be pointing out how ineffective he's become so i reckon we'll soon be seeing him rested more and more often, especially when Lallana comes back, if that happens anytime soon.

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                    Originally posted by labourRed View Post
                    He's under heavy rotation which i presume is to give him a chance and we all know how loyal he is. But the data boys will be pointing out how ineffective he's become so i reckon we'll soon be seeing him rested more and more often, especially when Lallana comes back, if that happens anytime soon.
                    Hope so. He passes a lot just to little effect. Felt a bit sorry for him today as there were a number of occasions when he called for the ball and was just ignored. Bit like when I used to play.
                    Really?

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                      It happens to us all mate.

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                        He's a decent player when on his A game. His confidence is shot and he looks like the player that first arrived and struggled with the expectation. Take the captaincy off him and just let him earn his place. I've no gripe with the lad, he tries, but injuries have ****ed him up a bit.
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                          Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
                          He's a decent player when on his A game. His confidence is shot and he looks like the player that first arrived and struggled with the expectation. Take the captaincy off him and just let him earn his place. I've no gripe with the lad, he tries, but injuries have ****ed him up a bit.
                          I think he's done here.

                          I don't see how he can improve as a player and I don't see how he improves the team with his presence.
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                            Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                            I think he's done here.

                            I don't see how he can improve as a player and I don't see how he improves the team with his presence.
                            He seems to be a player who is dropping off in his career in general, never really discovered his form since his foot injury. Finds space well but does not seem to run the game with the same directness Emre can ...can. I have been a fan over the years, but he needs to up his game a lot if he is to stick around, especially with Naby on route.

                            I mean I think we were obviously extremely unlucky not to walk away with all 3 points and for us to be saying we totally controlled that game from start to finish ... unfortunately, the Referee had other ideas
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                              Originally posted by Nicey View Post
                              He seems to be a player who is dropping off in his career in general, never really discovered his form since his foot injury. Finds space well but does not seem to run the game with the same directness Emre can ...can. I have been a fan over the years, but he needs to up his game a lot if he is to stick around, especially with Naby on route.

                              I mean I think we were obviously extremely unlucky not to walk away with all 3 points and for us to be saying we totally controlled that game from start to finish ... unfortunately, the Referee had other ideas
                              This in particular, he shows it in glimpses but not consistently enough.
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                                Not his biggest fan but I thought he was alright yesterday. Don't really understand why he should be singled out. In fact, I thought the whole team played well against 12 men.

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