Andy Carroll - Best Striker in the World

[magicalbarnes]

Not sure i agree.

Just because there may be some numpties who judge him on the price, i dont think Kenny will. In fact, it was Kenny who quite rightly stated that the price is irrelevant. If Carroll goes it'll be because Kenny doesnt think he's right for the club, not because of his price tag.

Craig, I wouldn't believe everything manager's say to the press.

Kenny is simply saying that in front of the camera's to take the pressure off Carroll, and to stop the press hounding him about the issue. It's simply good management.

Kenny's knows damn well that the price is anything but irrelevant.

[Craig_H]

You can believe what you wish mate, i believe Kenny when he says the price is irrelevant, because it is.

Put it this way, if Carroll had cost £5m, would the performances he's produced thus far be significantly worse or significantly better? Or, in fact, would they be any different at all? No. If he plays well, he plays well. If he doesnt, he doesnt. The price tag doesnt change that one bit.

If a player play ****, then he's playing **** whether he cost £1m or £30m. Likewise, if a player is playing well, then that's the same whether he was cheap or expensive.

[sean_lfc]

You can believe what you wish mate, i believe Kenny when he says the price is irrelevant, because it is.

Put it this way, if Carroll had cost £5m, would the performances he's produced thus far be significantly worse or significantly better? Or, in fact, would they be any different at all? No. If he plays well, he plays well. If he doesnt, he doesnt. The price tag doesnt change that one bit.

If a player play ****, then he's playing **** whether he cost £1m or £30m. Likewise, if a player is playing well, then that's the same whether he was cheap or expensive.

Arn!! Where have you been all my life!

[Mostar]

Not sure i agree.

Just because there may be some numpties who judge him on the price, i dont think Kenny will. In fact, it was Kenny who quite rightly stated that the price is irrelevant. If Carroll goes it'll be because Kenny doesnt think he's right for the club, not because of his price tag.

If he goes it will be imo due to both reasons.

I'm personally judging him solely on footballing skills but there is no denying he is a very expensive option to have on the bench (it is not just the price tag but his wages too as I think I read somewhere he's supposedly on 70k per week, which over 5.5 years is slightly over 20m), right or wrong, and if he cannot meet the expectations of playing for the club of our size and he is not a player Kenny thought he could turn out to be, we may have no choice but to let him go, which imo will be due to combination of factors.

[Craig_H]

It won't be for both reasons Mos. if Kenny thinks he is right for the club he will stay, if he thinks he isn't he'll be sold. The fee we paid will have nothing to do with it.

[Mostar]

My point was yes the money is spent so fee is irrelevant at this polnt but his wages + how much we could recoup if he is sold and timing of that decision is very relevant and has a very big implications for his future with LFC especially if he doesn't start scoring when given playing time.

[little dave hedgehog]

on the other hand i felt ngog got a bit of slack because of his fee. i also have seen a fair amount of praise which included words about his knockdown fee. not sure what the point of this post is really, but at least people are going both ways with it.

[Craig_H]

My point was yes the money is spent so fee is irrelevant at this polnt but his wages + how much we could recoup if he is sold and timing of that decision is very relevant and has a very big implications for his future with LFC especially if he doesn't start scoring when given playing time.

So you think if Kenny decides that Carroll is right for the club and wants to keep him, he'll be forced to sell him because of his wages and sell-on value?

I still think, if Kenny thinks Carroll should stay, he'll stay - regardless of transfer fee, sell on value and wages.

[Roboklopp]

So Craig, by the same token you don't reckon Cole's high wages were a factor in his loan abroad then? You honestly don't think had he been in £20k/week or pay as you play, Kenny would have looked at his past track record & seen that he had been an excellent player & thought it was worth taking a risk keeping him on the books for another year when we are short up top?

There is a finite amount of money to invest in transfers & wages & if the manager believes he is not getting value out of the investment, of course it will be a factor in his evaluation of the player's worth. Putting AC to one side for the mo mate, you seem like a reasonably intelligent lad, I can't understand how you can't see this.

[Roboklopp]

A better example is probably Raul, who had proven a decent player for us, but who had his price- particularly if you believe the wage increase rumour.

[Fredo]

So you think if Kenny decides that Carroll is right for the club and wants to keep him, he'll be forced to sell him because of his wages and sell-on value?

I still think, if Kenny thinks Carroll should stay, he'll stay - regardless of transfer fee, sell on value and wages.

It'll depend if he's good enough or not. Sadly up to this point he hasn't been. It also happens that his fee was high which will make him an expensive flop if he doesn't improve or fit into our play.

[Exiled_red]

You can believe what you wish mate, i believe Kenny when he says the price is irrelevant, because it is.

Put it this way, if Carroll had cost £5m, would the performances he's produced thus far be significantly worse or significantly better? Or, in fact, would they be any different at all? No. If he plays well, he plays well. If he doesnt, he doesnt. The price tag doesnt change that one bit.

If a player play ****, then he's playing **** whether he cost £1m or £30m. Likewise, if a player is playing well, then that's the same whether he was cheap or expensive.

As far as I can see the fee only affects the amount of stick a player gets when he has a bad performance or performances. It seems people feel they are more entitled to have a go at an expernsive player than a cheap one.

As far as I'm concerned they're all Liverpool players, what we paid becomes irrelavent, we can't change that now whether the player is worth the fee or not. All players should be picked of form, whether they came through the youth system or were picked up on a free, or whether we paid a club record fee. Giving a player stick isn't going to help a player or make him better value for money, what is done is done, whether you agree with the fee or not.

[Glenn Hysen]

Are you guys still debating his fee?

[Craig_H]

So Craig, by the same token you don't reckon Cole's high wages were a factor in his loan abroad then? You honestly don't think had he been in £20k/week or pay as you play, Kenny would have looked at his past track record & seen that he had been an excellent player & thought it was worth taking a risk keeping him on the books for another year when we are short up top?

There is a finite amount of money to invest in transfers & wages & if the manager believes he is not getting value out of the investment, of course it will be a factor in his evaluation of the player's worth. Putting AC to one side for the mo mate, you seem like a reasonably intelligent lad, I can't understand how you can't see this.

It simply comes down to value as us the mindset of FSG. If Kenny thinks Carroll has a high enough level of value to the team in terms of what he offers as a player then he'll stay. You can talk of wages etc but Carra's meant to have had a new deal on his high wages based on what's essentially gonna be a bit-part contribution. Clearly though Kenny wants him as part of the squad so that's gonna be the deciding factor, inspite of his salary costs.

Ultimately Kenny will decide but as I've said, he will decide based on what he thinks of Carroll's contribution to the team. The transfer fee has been & gone and has no real relevance now.

[cream]

The fee is relavant because if he doesn't work out, that's a big chunk of money down the ****hole, it will have an impact on future transfers.