Jamie Carragher

[Neil Young]

I'm not sure but I think BringbackBiscan wants to bring back Biscan and Birdman wants us to re-sign Traore.

[Daniel 7]

Everyone says Rafa moved Carragher inside, but it was actually Houllier who moved him there at the back end of the season prior to Rafa coming in. Last game of the 03/04 season had Henchoz at RB, for example.

I think a lot of people are dismissing his contribution over the years because of 2 years of bad or indifferent form. Yes, he's way past his best and has been exposed, but a few years back, he was near enough the best CB in the country. How John Terry was rated ahead of him is beyond me.

I don't hold that Istanbul was a great performance by him tbh, he had a couple of big moments in extra time, but the whole of the defence were all over the place in the first half.

I think he needs to be phased out gracefully now before the tide turns completely and there is more animosity towards him than there probably should be.

[baitman]

there is still no other central defender i would put on the team sheet before Carra. he has been at fault for some goals conceded recently, but he has also saved us plenty of times. the main problem with Jamie is similar to the main problem when Stevie G is playing, and that is they are often covering other areas of the pitch trying to cover for less disciplined team mates who drift out of position and this means they often end up compromising their own duties.

we need to get Coates blooded asap, and there is no-one better for him to feel comfortable with that Carra.

[Roboklopp]

Houllier also had Biscan- and even Diao I think- there for a bit. He had no ****ing clue what he was doing the last couple of seasons.

FWIW, Carra certainly shouldn't be untouchable. Rafa allegedly called it a couple of seasons back, hence the fallout allegedly. Were money no object, I think Rafa probably timed that one about right in terms of the 1st 11. Not to say that Carra can't still have an important role for us tho if he wants. Sami was phased out gracefully after a long time as
1st choice yet still managed some vital games & huge performances for us and was still a very important figure in the dressing room.

[Arn]

there is still no other central defender i would put on the team sheet before Carra. he has been at fault for some goals conceded recently, but he has also saved us plenty of times. the main problem with Jamie is similar to the main problem when Stevie G is playing, and that is they are often covering other areas of the pitch trying to cover for less disciplined team mates who drift out of position and this means they often end up compromising their own duties.

we need to get Coates blooded asap, and there is no-one better for him to feel comfortable with that Carra.

It is actually other players that need to cover for Carra and Gerrard when they drift out of position. Gerrard for example is a no go as a central midfielder because of that problem. Carra isn't quick enough to cover behind the right fullback when he attacks and that is a big problem. He tries to cover up his positional problem by blaming other players. You can often see him covering in the other central defenders zone because he don't trust them to do the job good enough when he should cover his own zone instead.

[Craig_H]

Not sure what you find funny about that. I've known quite a few lads that start the season slowly and get better as it wears on. I've no idea why, whether it's a mental/physical reason behind it but I do know it happens with some.

How anyone can't see that Carra has been that way is whole career is beyond me.

Oh, and before you tell me professional footballers should be different. They're no fitter then most good sunday league athletes, they just better at what they do.

You must surely be joking?

[Craig_H]

I'd love to see Arn meet Carragher in real life, and watch him slagging off Carra to his face.

[Cormack74]

I'd love to see Arn meet Carragher in real life, and watch him slagging off Carra to his face.

An interesting prospect.

Then again Carra let Adrian Durham basically call him a c*nt and ever since Durham's had JC eating out of his hand.

[RichC]

It is actually other players that need to cover for Carra and Gerrard when they drift out of position. Gerrard for example is a no go as a central midfielder because of that problem. Carra isn't quick enough to cover behind the right fullback when he attacks and that is a big problem. He tries to cover up his positional problem by blaming other players. You can often see him covering in the other central defenders zone because he don't trust them to do the job good enough when he should cover his own zone instead.

Although 4 managers they've worked for have always put them in the side when fit - that in itself should tell you all you need to know about their perceived short comings on the pitch.

It's getting very dull now Arn

[Arn]

Although 4 managers they've worked for have always put them in the side when fit - that in itself should tell you all you need to know about their perceived short comings on the pitch.

It's getting very dull now Arn

Not a single one of our managers have played Gerrard as a central midfielder. He played there in some games but not a whole season. I wonder why?

Gerrard is a fantastic player but he isn't perfect. The positional sense is one weakness and he isn't that great defensively. He is fantastic attacking player.

Remember the many times Carra moaned at Skrtel for example or Agger blaming them when in reality he was the one out of position?

Carra want to do to much work sometimes and cover the other central defenders zone. That means that he is out of position. It is not something I imagine up you know. He make that mistake very often.

The other thing I mentioned when it comes down to Carra is that he isn't quick enough to cover behind the right fullback and that means that the fullback can't attack as much as may want to. He must stay back more often because Carra isn't quick enough.

Carra could cover behind the right fullback a few years ago and he wasn't out of position and didn't cover a zone he shouldn't cover a few years ago but that was a few years ago. Now he make those mistakes very often. Now he must make more desperate tackles because he isn't quick enough and is out of position a lot more.

[Mostar]

It is actually other players that need to cover for Gerrard when he drift out of position.

Gerrard for example is a no go as a central midfielder because of that problem. Carra isn't quick enough to cover behind the right fullback when he attacks and that is a big problem. He tries to cover up his positional problem by blaming other players. You can often see him covering in the other central defenders zone because he don't trust them to do the job good enough when he should cover his own zone instead.

[Darkon]

right lads, I'm going to stop this one before it goes on any further, its' much easier to do the work now.

Please stay on topic of Carragher, and preferably without repeating arguments

[BobTheCharmer]

Not a single one of our managers have played Gerrard as a central midfielder. He played there in some games but not a whole season. I wonder why?

Gerrard is a fantastic player but he isn't perfect. The positional sense is one weakness and he isn't that great defensively. He is fantastic attacking player.

Remember the many times Carra moaned at Skrtel for example or Agger blaming them when in reality he was the one out of position?

Carra want to do to much work sometimes and cover the other central defenders zone. That means that he is out of position. It is not something I imagine up you know. He make that mistake very often.

The other thing I mentioned when it comes down to Carra is that he isn't quick enough to cover behind the right fullback and that means that the fullback can't attack as much as may want to. He must stay back more often because Carra isn't quick enough.

Carra could cover behind the right fullback a few years ago and he wasn't out of position and didn't cover a zone he shouldn't cover a few years ago but that was a few years ago. Now he make those mistakes very often. Now he must make more desperate tackles because he isn't quick enough and is out of position a lot more.

****ing hell mate, you're worn me down, I totally agree that Carra & Gerrard are ****e and should be melted down for glue.

If I ever met you and you spoke anything but the dodgy porn style broken english in a swedish moose like manner, the disappointment would be so immense, I'd have to blow my ****ing head off. Please have a moustache and admit to owning a pair of brown flares with a skin tight yellow turtle neck pullover. Please.

[Arn]

right lads, I'm going to stop this one before it goes on any further, its' much easier to do the work now.

Please stay on topic of Carragher, and preferably without repeating arguments

****ing hell mate, you're worn me down, I totally agree that Carra & Gerrard are ****e and should be melted down for glue.

If I ever met you and you spoke anything but the dodgy porn style broken english in a swedish moose like manner, the disappointment would be so immense, I'd have to blow my ****ing head off. Please have a moustache and admit to owning a pair of brown flares with a skin tight yellow turtle neck pullover. Please.

They are not ****e by the way.

I don't have a moustache or the other things you mention. I do have a rubber chicken and a weird looking spider and two cats.

[Neil Young]

Arn, your chicken is rubbery.