Brendan Rodgers

[el matador]

I imagine this is just an educated guess but it's a good shout - he's very highly rated at the club apparently.

He is brilliant, one of the best guys in his field in youth development.

He was appointed by Brendan Rodgers so he is loyal to him. Can he ask the difficult questions that need to be asked.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He was, and I don't think he's doing anything at the moment. He's been there and done it at a host of top clubs so in that respect it makes sense, but as usual we have no idea about his coaching or whatever.

He has been at PSV for a couple of seasons now. He is doing a similar job with their B team as Frank de Boer did with the B team/youth team at Ajax when de Boer was starting to get his badges/cut his teeth in coaching.


Seems to be the way a lot of Dutch managers start out, especially the current crop of young dutch managers and assistant managers. Going back to one of their early clubs and working with the youth and reserve set ups whilst they get all their coaching qualifications.

Ronald de Boer is also going down this route as he is currently looking after the Ajax B team


The Koeman also went down this route and became part of coaching set ups whilst getting their badges.

Ronald started off as a lower down member of the Dutch national team coaching set up, and Edwin started off where Zenden is now with the PSV B team set up.


No surprise that the Barca set up is quite similar given the Dutch influence at Barca over the years

[Tee]

Nigel!!

[Doc_Piptorious]

The big upside with Bolo and Sami (that sounds like a kids to show ) is experience and the fact they have won some trophies, familiarity with the club (especially with Sami) the downside - both novices as coaches.

It's an upgrade of sorts though.

Depends on what roles they get if they come in.

Zenden has a few years now of working with the PSV B team, and Sami has a few years of full management experience.

Both have also done a lot of their coaching badges as well.

If we were to bring in someone experienced like Monchi for what gets called the DOF role in England then I think we could well find roles for Sami and Zenden as part of a long term plan.

That way we could have a set up in place that remains fairly constant whenever there is a change of manager, and who knows maybe in time the likes of Sami could work/earn his way up to getting a crack at the big job.

[redmike65]

Yeah Inglethorpe name occurred to me last night but I didn't include it in an earlier post so I know look like I'm less insightful then is the case

When things were at their worst last Autumn I found myself thinking the club could do worse than replace Rodgers with Inglethorpe on a temporary basis, which is either high praise or just a measure of how bad I thought things were at that time!

Although some like to moan about the changes at the Academy with the old guard getting the boot and then Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell both moving on the current set up under Inglethorpe looks in rude health to me.

Having managed a senior side albeit a small one in Exeter City (did reach FA Trophy semi finals and a 50% win rate) he probably wouldn't be adverse to moving back into the senior game.

[el matador]

podcast with alex inglethorpe.

from what i remember he said he had no interest in being a manager and his preferred job was academy director - developing young players.

things can change

http://thebibtheorists.com/special-podcast-with-alex-inglethorpe/

[Exiled_red]

As of November last year Carra hadn't even considered starting his badges.
Seemed miffed that Rodgers hadn't offered him a role anyway which just about sums it up

Really? I thought I read a while a go that he was doing them in his spare time after he retired from international football, while still playing for us.

[Exiled_red]

No idea if Hyypia is a good coach but I'd love him at the club in some capacity. One of my favourite players.

[Paddy]

Just seems as if Rodgers was told "our way or the highway"

The man is on borrowed time. Bad start and he'll be gone by the new year.

[Fredo]

It's clear that Rodgers has it in him to become a very successful manager. I'm not sure that changing the backroom team will have any significance (or was part of the problem we underachieved last year). If you look at how the season panned out, you could say that he turned it around after the United game (not taking in consideration the last 2 months of the season).

What happened then is a bit of a mystery. van Gaal came and nullified the way we played, which at the time and for 20 games or so, no one else managed to do. Arsenal more or less used the same tactics and we surrendered so easily and it all went downhill since then. Rodgers thought that a change in the system would be beneficial, but seemed to end up confusing players more than anything. Playing Emre Can at right back wasn't in essence a bad idea. He was playing well and was arguably one of our most consistent player for a few months, so he thought that he had to stay in the team, so had to accommodate him in the team somewhat. I'm not sure he rates him in central midfield just yet - maybe the plan is to develop his game gradually from the back, which isn't a bad thing considering all his talent.

As for the committee side of things, it's clear there is something wrong on the articulation of the strategy. Balotelli was never going to fit in, neither was Ricky Lambert. I'm also dubious of the fact that Rodgers wanted either of them and think he was forced into looking into different or alternative ways of playing. The plan B of Lambert, was never going to work with the way we play. We need consistency, similar to the way we achieved second place in the league last year.

So, I just hope that the reshuffle of the backroom team is one being instigated by Rodgers himself, by that I mean that it's his plan and no one else's. A manager cannot win if he is being undermined by his Directors. He should be the one calling the shots, and it didn't look like it with our transfer strategy. Our backroom team of Mike Marsh and Colin Pascoe wouldn't have looked too bad if we'd won the league the season before.

[Fredo]

Just seems as if Rodgers was told "our way or the highway"

The man is on borrowed time. Bad start and he'll be gone by the new year.

Completely the wrong strategy and one which is doomed to fail. If this happens and FSG don't have a proper plan, then we're probably ****ed for a long time. As if we could replace a manager easily into a season.

[Paddy]

Completely the wrong strategy and one which is doomed to fail. If this happens and FSG don't have a proper plan, then we're probably ****ed for a long time. As if we could replace a manager easily into a season.

I...don't want it that way, but I'll tell you why. Unless a proper replacement is ready to go then I'd disagree, but I think pressure from supporters would be too much to bear, and FSG would act.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It's clear that Rodgers has it in him to become a very successful manager. I'm not sure that changing the backroom team will have any significance (or was part of the problem we underachieved last year). If you look at how the season panned out, you could say that he turned it around after the United game (not taking in consideration the last 2 months of the season).

What happened then is a bit of a mystery. van Gaal came and nullified the way we played, which at the time and for 20 games or so, no one else managed to do. Arsenal more or less used the same tactics and we surrendered so easily and it all went downhill since then. Rodgers thought that a change in the system would be beneficial, but seemed to end up confusing players more than anything. Playing Emre Can at right back wasn't in essence a bad idea. He was playing well and was arguably one of our most consistent player for a few months, so he thought that he had to stay in the team, so had to accommodate him in the team somewhat. I'm not sure he rates him in central midfield just yet - maybe the plan is to develop his game gradually from the back, which isn't a bad thing considering all his talent.

As for the committee side of things, it's clear there is something wrong on the articulation of the strategy. Balotelli was never going to fit in, neither was Ricky Lambert. I'm also dubious of the fact that Rodgers wanted either of them and think he was forced into looking into different or alternative ways of playing. The plan B of Lambert, was never going to work with the way we play. We need consistency, similar to the way we achieved second place in the league last year.

So, I just hope that the reshuffle of the backroom team is one being instigated by Rodgers himself, by that I mean that it's his plan and no one else's. A manager cannot win if he is being undermined by his Directors. He should be the one calling the shots, and it didn't look like it with our transfer strategy. Our backroom team of Mike Marsh and Colin Pascoe wouldn't have looked too bad if we'd won the league the season before.

I don't buy into the idea that Lambert was bought to be some sort of B plan involving a big strong frontman to win balls when the high pressure A plan failed.

Lambert was not used in that manner for Southampton and he played a pretty important role in being a link man in their high pressure style of playing.

If anything the way Lambert played, and the role in which he was deployed, for Southampton should have allowed him to slot into our pressure game and play his part.

What Rodgers did after we got Lambert was to not use the guy in the role he was doing well in, and when he did play the guy it was often in a role or system that played to every weakness in Lambert's game rather than using his strengths.

Balotelli I could see an arguement for being described as a plan B, but Lambert came with a track record of being able to do well within a pressuring style team, and a track record of being able to link play well for his fellow attackers and for any midfielders breaking forward.


For me it is one of two things when it comes to Balotelli, Lambert, Borini etc last season. Either Rodgers was not able to see what the players were good at doing for previous clubs and what systems they did well in, or he did see what they were good at and just chose to ignore it thinking that he could make square pegs fit round holes.

What role his backroom staff played in his ideas, strategies, footballing philosophies none of us can really know, but maybe a case can be made for him having too many yes men around him for him to be given an reason to question whether or not a strategy/tactic/selection was actually the right one to implement given the available resources (players, and coaches)


The right manager is the most important part of the puzzle for me, but it could be said that in order for a manager to become the right manager he needs to have the right men around so that he can become enabled.

[cream]

Just seems as if Rodgers was told "our way or the highway"

The man is on borrowed time. Bad start and he'll be gone by the new year.

Not necessarily. They may rate Brendan highly and want to improve the coaching set up as a whole.

[Paddy]

Not necessarily. They may rate Brendan highly and want to improve the coaching set up as a whole.

Do you think it was FSG who sacked Pascoe and Marsh or Brendan effectively throwing them under the bus?

Either way, it doesn't look good, even though I've wanted Pascoe gone a long time.